To wonder why it's so transphobic here?

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Really what's the big deal if a transwoman uses the women's toilets or changing rooms - they are women after all!

Can you not possibly imagine how hard it must be to be born into the wrong body? Imagine the pain and distress that must cause?

I have a friend who is a transwoman and she is the kindest most gentle soul you could ever meet so hearing her being referred to as a bloke in a dress or that she has a perverted fetish is just heartbreaking.

Can't we just show a little bit of empathy for these people who have been through so much pain already?

It's about respecting women's boundaries. It's very simple.

No I am an advocate for boys and girls teams love so not me.

Sorry if you are comfortable being half naked with a male stranger you maybe work in the sex trade? That's fine by the way and your choice but please understand that the vast majority of women dont feel this way.

Either that or you are very young.

Women objecting to and discussing being silenced, othered and erased is not transphobia

This!

Either that or you are very young.

I think either she has absolutely no empathy with other women, or she is being disingenuous.

WoodPigeonInFlight

I haven't said transwomen are women. I said,

I don't think trans people are eroding women's rights

I don't think they're real women

I think that calling them dangerous is disingenuous and statistically they need help more than to be treated with fear.

"Why not address the points Riley makes"

Okay.

#1 "some women have penises"

Hahahahahahahaha. Fuck it. I can't seriously watch any more.

I'm not saying they're women. I'm saying they're not scary 'boys in dresses' (I know it wasn't you, but that's intentionally demeaning) who are trying to erase women or lie in wait to oggle our breasts or rape us in a shelter.

They're a third category (or 4th) who shouldn't be treated with fear and derision.

What making a visual joke about Trump's comments by wearing hats with cats ears??

I get that cats are called pussys but I don't see the joke or point there. I think vagina hats were vulgar. I'd have thought the same if someone had a penis hat with a sign saying "Trump, you're a prick!". There are ways to act in public.

venusinscorpio

Aren't you bored yet?

Why would I be? You clearly aren't.

I personally do find mumsnet very transphobic. There are threads once a week about transmen committing crimes of sexual violence or about children being taught about transgender people. This is always made out to be a huge problem although transpeople are a tiny minority.

In posting this I'm aware that most posters on this thread disagree. But to me to believe that there are good trans people who are quiet and don't make a fuss and bad trans activists who give the rest a bad name is the same as the myth of the "good immigrant". It's a way for people to claim they're not against trans people - just against the bad trans people.

I used to report every comment I found transphobic but I now mostly just avoid a threads unless it's a truly obvious troll. It makes me sad that Mumsnet HQ is plainly okay with the amount of bigotry on the site.

Brew

"you maybe work in the sex trade?"

Well, aren't you a charmer? Agree with me or you must be a hooker?

Sans You appear to be dismissing every example of how transactivism negatively effects women and girls which is put to you as either

• irrelevant and unrepresentative (JRD)

• too infrequent to worry about (lesbian silencing, trying to shut down wc library)

-or not really a thing (women not wanting to get undressed in front of men).

This is not a good argument tactic. Shall we just discuss ideas in your head with no reference to the realities or how other women percieve things? Not going to get us far really, is it?

There are threads once a week about transmen committing crimes of sexual violence

Transwomen, I think you mean. It's clear you don't really understand what you're talking about.

What is JRD?

too infrequent to worry about

Seems like a legitimate reason.

not really a thing

We're only basing this on our own thought and experiences. You have your thoughts and I have mine, but you're right, we aren't getting far.

You appear to be dismissing every example of how transactivism negatively effects women and girl

Not every one. I absolutely agree with things of a sexual or m-f violence nature such as rape centre or refuge, rape evidence gathering exams, Ian Huntley (for example).

Shall we just discuss ideas in your head with no reference to the realities or how other women perceive things?

There are many who agree with you. There are many who agree with me. The vocal 5-10 on this thread who agree with you don't make your opinion the valid or correct one.

What realities are you talking about?

That was a typo, Venus. We all make them.

Morning, I personally have no concern about transpersons using the toilets.

I appreciate that others do and would like there to be far more unisex facilities so that transpersons aren't confronted by people challenging them and cispersons feel safe and private.

Sans

vagina hat? vagina hats?

They were cat hats.

It's revealing that the people you think were being rude in public were women wearing cat hats not Trump

uk.businessinsider.com/pussy-hats-womens-march-washington-trump-inauguration-2017-2

There are many who agree with me.

In terms of not wanting to be in intimate situations with males, no there aren't. Women have their own boundaries: The vast majority of people simply aren't aware of the realities of this situation. But don't worry, the women who do see it for what it is will continue to raise awareness!

Yes, happy if transpeople and anyone else who wants to support them have a unisex space. Or whatever. As long as women have sex segregated spaces as a right.

venus well exactly.

sans there's nothing wrong in being a hooker but it's generally not normal behaviour for a woman to feel completely comfortable half naked with a strange bloke. It really isn't.

I agree with venus

I think loads of people would use sex neutral spaces but i would want sex segregated spaces for women

And to be fair men

*Sans.
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You said: A single weightlifter isn't the start of the end of women in sports

That single weightlifter broke the record, making it effectively unobtainable for women regardless of how hard they train or how well suited they are to a sport. That medal and record have been taken from a woman and given to a transwoman, and the record is likely to stay in their name until another transwoman comes along to claim it.

In what way is a transwoman so like a woman that they can have things set aside exclusively for women? Like women's medals? Prizes? Safe spaces?

Cis persons by that you mean women???? Don't be idiotic just say women.

My and my dds are women! And proud to be so. No idea why this cis bollocks exists. Just a yawn fest