Aibu to think that is totally unacceptable

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39337805

Why is it ok for a convicted rapist to be moved to a women only prison because they are transgender? It's a total lack of respect for women that have been subjected to rape.

Iris the person may no longer have a penis. They have a history of successfully prosecuted sexual violence - and unfortunately anyone who reads around MN for long gets to know how very difficult it is to get a successful prosecution for rape so this must have been very serious - which involves a mindset of getting off on dominating, controlling, intimidating and using women, and being either uninterested in or actively stimulated by their fear and distress. They continue to have the strength, weight and height of their xy chromosomes.

Would you be happy to be locked up alone with this individual in a cell where you're going to undress, go to the toilet, go to sleep, for hours on end without any chance of escaping attentions you don't want? Because to me that's the stuff of nightmares.

The article says that approximately 80 trans people are in prison in the UK. I would be really interested to know how many of these are trans MEN, that is to say female to male trans people. It seems the only cases being reported on involve male to female trans people.

They should do shim a favour and cut off his dick when he gets into the female prison.
Women always have to take this shit. It's just not right

humphreycobblers highly unlikely that anyone can be diagnosed via a tabloid schlock report.

I agree. Debating whether this person has actual dismorphia is pointless.

He is male, we do not need to diagnose that, as it is obvious by the fact he raped. So he belongs in a men's prison, in an extra ward, problem solved.

what pisses me off is that most of the trans threads have titles like

"Aibu to think that is totally unacceptable" which give you no clue about what the thread is actually about! at least the (most of ) parking ones give you a clue

Have you read the story through until the end iris?

"About 80 transgender people are believed to be in prison in England and Wales."

And from Wikipedia:

"The total UK prison population is 85,975 (0.13% of the population), 82,056 men and 3,919 women.[1] Men are 22 times as likely as women to be imprisoned."

I heard a programme the other day about the lack of female prison provision. Women who commit crimes in Wales, for example, end up imprisoned in Durham or Gloucester because there are so few places.

Obviously, prison is bad, regardless...but transwomen are now taking places in prisons that are massively under resourced. Great!

Read in Hadley Freeman's piece that Ian Huntley is now Lian Huntley and wants to be transferred to a womens unit. Again: great!

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I just wondered the proportion. Do female to male trans men exist in prison? I have never heard of it. The crime rate for trans women (former men) seems quite high.

If this person can be moved to a prison of their preference because they didn't like the behaviour of those around them then where can the females in the new prison elect to go if they are unhappy with his behaviour?

How the fuck was this even considered?!

I don't care who they say they feel they are and how discriminated against they feel, but for fuck sake this person is a rapist

The females in the new prison will not be allowed to raise concerns as to have any is 'bigoted'.

If the legislation being discussed this week is pushed through, you will equally have no right to express concerns or ask for alternative provision if the person in the next hospital bed to yours or the person who arrives to do your smear test is male born, even if they have a beard and present as fully male in appearance. They only have to say they feel like a woman. There is no equality of rights in this, there is no mutual respect involved. It is a system wide open to abuse. It is unbelievably naiive.

Btw strictly speaking, to ask where the females can go automatically includes this individual in the consultation as they are a part of that group by choosing to identify as such.

'People with xx chromosomes' still just about works as polite.

The females in the new prison will not be allowed to raise concerns as to have any is 'bigoted'.

Indeed. I fear the rate of suicide among imprisoned women will increase.

I think I'd rather kill myself than wait until the rapist I've been forced to share a cell with rapes AND kills me.

The person concerned cannot commit another rape. They do not have a penis.
We don't know that they don't have a penis. It just says they have had gender reassignment surgery. That could mean a boob job or facial feminisation surgery.

YANBU. And I pity the posters who are happy with this, they must have such simple minds if they can't see any consequences to this.

We don't know that they don't have a penis. It just says they have had gender reassignment surgery. That could mean a boob job or facial feminisation surgery.

Even if that person does not have a penis, that does not mean they cannot still commit sexual assault, and are just as likely to do so as any other rapist.

And I pity the posters who are happy with this, they must have such simple minds if they can't see any consequences to this.

Why pity them? They must be quite happy. They are obviously sure they will never ever be in a situation where such bonkers laws might harm them.

I.e. they are either male, or very rich women who have their own swimming pool and sauna, and will never have to go to any of the public facilities that they want to be unisex.
They are also so privileged that they are sure they will never go to prison.

humphreycobblers highly unlikely that anyone can be diagnosed via a tabloid schlock report.

AGP in a late transitioning rapist is hardly a shock diagnosis. Or an out there one.

And as for its being highly unlikely to be housed with a transgender rapist in prison, tell that to the fellow inmates of this particular transgender rapist. One is too many.

I believe that this rapist transitioned while in prison and received NHS treatment while in prison. When I look at the cuts in the NHS as well as the prison service, why is a prisoner transitioning able to access such medical treatment? And then to be moved to a women's prison? Such an insult to his victims...

Btw strictly speaking, to ask where the females can go automatically includes this individual in the consultation as they are a part of that group by choosing to identify as such.

No. Strictly speaking that is entirely incorrect. Female is a fact, not a feeling. A male can identify as a woman, they cannot identify as female. They will never be female. Please do not confuse these two. It is extremely important that people do nit use female and woman interchangeably. They aren't not the same thing.

It is extremely important that people do nit use female and woman interchangeably. They aren't not the same thing.

Well, actually, in a sane world, it would be acknowledged that girls and women are female and boys and men are male.

Female encompasses both girls and women.

But that "women" can be used to mean a male is a rather new phenomenon and in my opinion it is utter bullshit.

Also, pretty sure the transwacktivists demand that the term female be applied to transwomen, too.

It's my understanding that this person is post GRS , so hasn't got a penis anymore.
This , of course, makes them more vulnerable to "corrective " rape , as not only men happy to rape anally will do so, but those preferring vagina , even if ersatz .
You could parse that they may deserve "what goes around comes around ", but we are in a supposedly civilised country where prisons are meant - notionally at least - as punishment by removal of freedom alone , rather than places of dehumanisation .
So, clearly they cannot be housed with intact males .

This does NOT mean they should be forced upon vulnerable women , and anyone failing to grasp why is indeed a rape apologist or maybe bit thick .

It's clear there needs to be special facilities , but - as usual - what doesn't fit in with men will , no doubt be forced upon women , until a victim sues .

Zilphas, that's the subject up for debate and the absolute contentiousness of it, which is why I pointed it out. The prison authorities will be expected to work with 'this individual is female because they identify as such and to say otherwise, or to state that it is biologically untrue is unacceptable'.

Language itself is being hijacked. People need to realise this.