Aibu to think that is totally unacceptable

[doublesnap]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39337805

Why is it ok for a convicted rapist to be moved to a women only prison because they are transgender? It's a total lack of respect for women that have been subjected to rape.

[AskBasil]

There are already males in women's prisons so I'm told.

They have a bit of a harem. Everyone has to pretend they believe they're women otherwise they'll get beaten up.

Somewhere in Kent.

Not sure where.

[TheCountessofFitzdotterel]

No-one will admit it's rape though, they will talk about it as if it's consensual and blame the women.

[ZilphasHatpin]

I'm in NI where the Pill is legal but my former GP refused to prescribe it and advised me to register with another GP if I wanted "that sort of thing".

[VestalVirgin]

We are probably looking at prison rape for women becoming the new normal.

Yes, probably contraceptive implants, with all the side effects, will be forced on women because the government doesn't want to deal with the cost of childcare in prison. Or forced abortions will become the norm.

I wonder what they do in Ireland. Is the pill even legal there? Hm, the misogynists in the government there will probably rejoice that at least the women in prison can't go abroad to have an abortion.

[TheCountessofFitzdotterel]

The worst thing about this is knowing that if a transwoman prisoner assaults an incarcerated woman, he is statistically very likely indeed to get away with it.
There might not be some of the factors that work against rape victims getting justice - alcohol probably wouldn't come into it - but you can imagine how easy it would be for the defence to destroy the credibility of a victim who is already a convicted criminal herself.
We are probably looking at prison rape for women becoming the new normal.

[VestalVirgin]

Sadly, this means that the MoJ is basically using the women it holds as lab rats in the great Trans experiment.

Not only that, but as lab rats in an experiment that is almost guaranteed to end badly for the women.

Like testing if a substance that causes cancer if sold under its original name also causes cancer if it is called a vegetable.

[BeyondUser24601]

"they probably will be on a separate wing along with other sex offenders; those who have hurt children; those who have been bullied or are otherwise vulnerable. Male prisons also have the same type of wing for similar prisoner"

I'm sure I remember someone saying that, as yet, there is no such wing in the female estate.

[GirlScout72]

Well the girl friend nicely described narcissism didn't she.

It's not often I agree with the Sun but that article is spot on.

Meanwhile vile misogynist Paris Lees is waxing lyrical in the Indie as per usual "It was the latest instalment of Middle Class White Women Find 101 Rude and Unnecessary Ways to Tell Trans Women We’re Not Real Women. Have you been following it? It’s all terribly riveting stuff."

I can't quite put into words how much I absolutely loathe Paris and all he / "she" stands for. inews.co.uk/opinion/paris-lees-transgender-prisoners-isnt-time-talked-facts/

[Xenophile]

This is going to continue until there are enough victims of these people's in prison crimes to start a class action against the MoJ. Sadly, this means that the MoJ is basically using the women it holds as lab rats in the great Trans experiment.

[rumblingDMexploitingbstds]

www.thesun.co.uk/news/3145822/transgender-double-rapist-had-10000-nhs-sex-change-just-to-get-noticed-says-ex-partner/

[rumblingDMexploitingbstds]

Kit, I think is very likely that women victims of this nuttiness will be hushed up as much and as long as possible, newspapers and news stations will avoid covering them, and as much doubt thrown in claims of assault as possible to avoid the general public getting annoyed. Rather like the victims of the Cologne mass rapes. They will be really inconvenient facts.

The claim about 10k of surgery has been mentioned on another thread as information from the individual's mother of his first child. She also said the person loves to be the centre of attention and drama, and feels this is most of what is going on.

[KitKats28]

I am interested to know what will happen when this person, or someone similar, inevitably rapes a woman in prison. Will there be any backlash? Will she have "asked for it" by virtue of being in prison in the first place? Will an actual rape cause this ludicrous policy to be re-examined? Or will it just be ignored? (Rhetorical question. Of course it will).

[VestalVirgin]

I cannot imagine that a rapist would willingly part with his penis.

But even if, he'd still be capable of sexual assault. And very likely to do it.

The only danger removed would be that of his impregnating his victims. Which I am sure especially women in prisons in Ireland would be relieved about, but no one would tell men to put up with sexual assault or rape because they can't get pregnant.

[icyfront]

I’ve got a very uneasy feeling about this person, just from some things mentioned in various news reports.

But, do we know for sure what the gender reassignment surgery entailed? The Sun says it cost 10k, but is that just speculation on their part, or do they actually know what surgery was done and have guessed the likely cost? The NHS website says it costs around £3,500 - £7,000 for breast implant surgery, but doesn’t say if that’s for one implant or two. Maybe The Sun took the middle of that range and doubled it. So it’s quite possible that this person still has intact male genitalia.

But of course that wouldn't matter, according to the current guidelines.

[GirlScout72]

Overthinking Spartacus

Yep, you're right. lately, I've often thought of replicants on bladerunner, what's more perfect than a walking talking f*ckhole, with both participants, the man and the transwoman having the kind of sex that they think women deserve, that women are designed for.

which is why the parallel 'sex positive' pro porn and prostitution liberal bullshit that goes along with this is such a bloody insult.

one glance at Paris Lee's 22 sexiest things about sex article should tell us all we need to know about what these men think about women and what we are good for.

I once had a transwomen tell me their vagina was better than a real one as it didn't 'ooze, stink or bleed' ... it's like a bad John Updike novel.

[Nellooo]

Srsly though, that other thread!

[GirlScout72]

Rumbling no bother, wasn't sure which one you meant. I'm on my mettle today, just been one of those peak trans days!

I've spent my entire life fighting the idea that I'm a second class citizen because I'm a woman, and I really thought feminism was getting somewhere, and then sometimes I listen and see all this stuff over the last day and a half and I honestly despair. THEY FUCKING HATE US. It really upsets me.

[OverthinkingSpartacus]

Prison Placement

Fixed link

[OverthinkingSpartacus]

He should be housed in the male prison, on the wing with other sex offenders. He is male, he shouldn't be locked up with females. No males should be locked up with females be they burglars or rapists but the idea that people think it's ok to lock a violent man who has harmed females up with women who can't escape him. He doesn't become less if a threat to women just because he has had his penis removed.

I found this article a while back, it's not based on UK figures but discusses the implications of female prisons if every make identifying as trans were to be moved to the female estate.

[https://culturallyboundgender.wordpress.com/2015/05/17/prevalence-ii-on-prison-placement/ Prevelance On Prison Placement]]

[rumblingDMexploitingbstds]

To add, I meant another thread On MN that has turned nasty tonight, no reference to this one.

[VestalVirgin]

Is that what we are saying. Take the penis off a man and bingo! you've got a woman? That's womanphobic bigotry right there.

Indeed.
The whole claim that transwomen are in any way, shape or form, women, is womanphobic.

The so-called "neovagina" is a prime example. It does not resemble an actual vagina in any way. It is just a hole for men to stick their dicks into, it needs douching (which suits the men selling such products), or it will stink (which men like to believe vaginas do, but actual vaginas don't.) It is a surgically created wound that heals if it is not penetrated regularly.

If men accepted that the vagina is actually there so that babies can come out of the womb, that it is not a "hole" for their personal pleasure, then there would be no "neovaginas".
(I am also pretty sure they aren't able to even make it so that the penetration of the neovagina is more sexually pleasing than the penetration of the mouth. Anal sex is likely more pleasant for a male.)

The "neovag" serves mostly as an exercise in misogyny. I honestly don't think it gives those who have it much happiness, other than being able to be in relationships with misogynist men who are happy to finally be able to penetrate a fuckhole that is just as they have always imagined a vagina should be.

[rumblingDMexploitingbstds]

Girlscout, I wasn't criticising and I don't see you have crossed any line. Just saying it is possible as this thread demonstrates to talk about these issues as we are doing without deletions being at all necessary.

[GirlScout72]

Double

Exactly! So we are back to all the horrendous stereotypes that feminism has been fighting since forever. Freud and his penis envy, woman being made from Adam's bloody rib! Helpmeet and brood mare. A woman being nothing more than a man gone wrong.

It's womanphobic ... it's bigotry against women. We've really got to start demanding that it stops.

I'm sick of it. this man saying he always felt like a woman is mental rape of his victims. Imagine how they've felt this week, it's just awful, so awful in fact, I actually sat and cried for them. They were just kids when this vile man forced his dick in them, hurt them, and God knows what else.

He's not a woman.

[doublesnap]

If people are saying that the lack of a penis means a woman then how belittling is that? Is a woman just a person who is lacking something? Women are strong, powerful people who deserve respect and not just to be categorised as a person without a penis when they are so much more.

[GirlScout72]

Is a lack of a penis what a woman is?

Is that what we are saying. Take the penis off a man and bingo! you've got a woman? That's womanphobic bigotry right there.

Remove the penis from a rapist and he's not a rapist anymore?

seriously.