Aibu to think that is totally unacceptable

[doublesnap]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39337805

Why is it ok for a convicted rapist to be moved to a women only prison because they are transgender? It's a total lack of respect for women that have been subjected to rape.

[VestalVirgin]

It's clear there needs to be special facilities , but - as usual - what doesn't fit in with men will , no doubt be forced upon women , until a victim sues

I am pretty sure women aren't even allowed to sue.

That would be "bigoted".

There needs to be a revolution.

[ZilphasHatpin]

Well, actually, in a sane world, it would be acknowledged that girls and women are female and boys and men are male.

I would agree with you but I think we need to accept we are beyond the stage where woman means what it has always done since the dawn of time. But female is a fact. Is a fact is afact is a FACT! It isn't a feeling.

pretty sure the transwacktivists demand that the term female be applied to transwomen, too.

They can demand, they can scream and stomp their feet and wail about bigotry but female is non-negotiable. You cannot change your Chromosomes from XX to XY or vice versa. I will continue to correct this every time I see it and I urge everyone else to do the same. Males cannot be female no matter how much surgery they have. It is impossible.

[rumblingDMexploitingbstds]

Since we already have shared in the public domain(and is being taught in school) the new thinking that some men have vaginas and some women have penises I wonder seriously how long it will be before that is extended to 'some women have xy chromosomes'.

[ZilphasHatpin]

Xpost rumbling I see what you meant now. So the word female is being used incorrectly by those creating the legislation? Is this correct?

[GirlScout72]

The thing that astonishes me in these discussions is WHAT ABOUT THE VICTIMS.

This dude got life for raping two girls, CHILDREN!!! You are honestly telling me that him now saying 'I always felt like a woman' is not utter, utter, utter humilation and a kind of 'mental rape' of them all over again, which is probably why he said it!

Those girls know they were raped by a man, we all know it's a man. And honestly to God, I know psychiatry is sexist but what lunatic of a prison shrink signed this off as 'gender dysphoria' - the guy is clearly a narcissistic AGP. AGPs get a thrill from crashing women's boundaries, all those shared showers and shared cells etc, will be part of the thrill.

AGP is a kind of eroticized misogyny, even getting a vagina to have the kind of debased sex they think women have and deserve is all part of it. Do some research.

I listened to all these ill informed men waffling on on the TV and radio today about this, some even saying 'maybe the gender confusion caused the crimes' - I mean WTAF????

Rape is the most defiling thing you can do to someone, and when it's done to a woman, it's to do with LOATHING, utter contempt.

And now this person 'feels' like a woman?

Seriously, we should bloody well riot, I've had enough of this crap.

Those poor girls and their families, he's up for parole soon, can you imagine what they are going through.

Nobody gets LIFE for rape unless they really, really, really went to town. And now he gets to flounce about in a women's prison with his special women's feelings.

I've been inside prisons, they have special wings, places for this category of offender are very few in the Women's Estate as women don't commit these types of offences.

Oh and to top my day off, reading Jane Fae's twitter comments defending Lian Huntley being transgender and discussing his right to be moved to women's prison when Huntley not only murdered two little girls but was as serial rapist of women as well makes me want to start a large scale programme of peaceful civil disobedience.

The NZ transwomen weightlifter knocking two olympic hopefuls off their spot after a lifetime of training then was the cherry on the cake, if he'd competed in his weight category as a man, he'd have lost by 100kg.

If you wanted to know what a woman HATING world looks like folks, this is it.

[VestalVirgin]

I wonder seriously how long it will be before that is extended to 'some women have xy chromosomes'.

They aren't doing that already?

I'd be surprised, really.

[HumphreyCobblers]

excellent post GirlScout72

[ZilphasHatpin]

And these people are laughing at our fear. They are playing with us. They are not trans people. They are exploiting the laws created to protect trans people.

What will it take for this nonsense, because it is nonsense, to be stopped? Who has to get angry enough?

[BeyondUser24601]

It's fucking disgusting.

And the rape apologists here who are too busy whinging about "yet another trans thread" to be bothered by the narcissistic rapist are fucking disgusting too.

[GirlScout72]

We need to get angry, and then we need a bloody good barrister. I've said it before and I'll say it again, we need to take it to court, it's outrageous that women are being treated like this.

Not ONE rape expert interviewed today on all the news reports and radio and TV I've seen. God you only have to google 'myths about rape' to see the utter horseshit being spouted about this case for the woman hating nonsense it is.

Those poor girls, sitting at home listening this, knowing he's laughing at them, taunting them, and taunting all of us. And getting a sexual thrill out of it.

I hear MN are deleting comments again too, let's see if I've committed a crime by calling this RAPIST (requires a penis, only a man can rape) HIM.

And 'genuine trans' are very few and far between, even a good chunk of actual transsexuals have this AGP problem, I believe the homosexual transsexuals generally are the OK ones, in that they are attracted to men or other Transwomen. The men who transition who are attracted to women, are not very nice generally as the whole thing is fuelled by misogyny and porn.

One other thought, is this person, whose criminal sexual interest clearly is focused on females, now a LESBIAN?

Shall we take bets?

I am sick and tired of being insulted like this, a castrated man is not a woman, a woman is a real person, a human being, in and of herself. This person violated and defiled the dignity and very core being of two women, he does not get to call himself one of us. He can eff right off to the pit he crawled out of.

[rumblingDMexploitingbstds]

So far this thread - I think, too tired to double check - has been a sensible discussion within MN guidelines, I see one has turned nasty tonight but most of the threads discussing this are, and that is beyond important. I'm all for MN not permitting transphobia and will gladly report transphobic posts. It needs to be clearly seen that discussing these specific issues for women in regards to self identification has nothing to do with transphobia or intolerance, or random frothing hatred. These are serious issues and is not a social crime to talk about.

[VestalVirgin]

One other thought, is this person, whose criminal sexual interest clearly is focused on females, now a LESBIAN?

Of course not.

Now, does this person identify as lesbian? Certainly.

Doesn't change reality.

[GirlScout72]

Vestal

Agreed but it's just one more insult on top of a whole heap of insults.

Rumbling

I've nothing against transgender people, I know several lovely transwomen who agree with the sentiments of this thread and are appalled at the trans lobby and work closely with women to stop this tide of woman hating. I do have a very big problem with AGPs and with the misogyny of the movement which is fully reflected in the prevailing culture, which is further oppressing women, as if we weren't oppressed enough already.

I also have a very very very big problem with women's issues, such as the epidemic of rape in the UK, being obscured and minimized in this way.

Short of murder, there is no worse crime a man can do to a woman. It is designed to destroy her and it's the kind of crime where the perpetrator gets to influence every day of the victim's life from then on. Once raped there's no going back to how it was before. Your very self has been violated.

I make no apologies for speaking of the perpetrator in the strongest terms of contempt. He's not a woman.

[doublesnap]

The person concerned cannot commit another rape. They do not have a penis.

That's correct, but as far as I'm aware the removal of a penis does not remove their violent nature nor their views about acceptable ways to treat women. He should absolutely not be in a women only prison.

[doublesnap]

they probably will be on a separate wing along with other sex offenders; those who have hurt children; those who have been bullied or are otherwise vulnerable. Male prisons also have the same type of wing for similar prisoners

So, he can go in a men's prison on the sex offenders wing, no problem there at all IMO.

[GirlScout72]

Is a lack of a penis what a woman is?

Is that what we are saying. Take the penis off a man and bingo! you've got a woman? That's womanphobic bigotry right there.

Remove the penis from a rapist and he's not a rapist anymore?

seriously.

[doublesnap]

If people are saying that the lack of a penis means a woman then how belittling is that? Is a woman just a person who is lacking something? Women are strong, powerful people who deserve respect and not just to be categorised as a person without a penis when they are so much more.

[GirlScout72]

Double

Exactly! So we are back to all the horrendous stereotypes that feminism has been fighting since forever. Freud and his penis envy, woman being made from Adam's bloody rib! Helpmeet and brood mare. A woman being nothing more than a man gone wrong.

It's womanphobic ... it's bigotry against women. We've really got to start demanding that it stops.

I'm sick of it. this man saying he always felt like a woman is mental rape of his victims. Imagine how they've felt this week, it's just awful, so awful in fact, I actually sat and cried for them. They were just kids when this vile man forced his dick in them, hurt them, and God knows what else.

He's not a woman.

[rumblingDMexploitingbstds]

Girlscout, I wasn't criticising and I don't see you have crossed any line. Just saying it is possible as this thread demonstrates to talk about these issues as we are doing without deletions being at all necessary.

[VestalVirgin]

Is that what we are saying. Take the penis off a man and bingo! you've got a woman? That's womanphobic bigotry right there.

Indeed.
The whole claim that transwomen are in any way, shape or form, women, is womanphobic.

The so-called "neovagina" is a prime example. It does not resemble an actual vagina in any way. It is just a hole for men to stick their dicks into, it needs douching (which suits the men selling such products), or it will stink (which men like to believe vaginas do, but actual vaginas don't.) It is a surgically created wound that heals if it is not penetrated regularly.

If men accepted that the vagina is actually there so that babies can come out of the womb, that it is not a "hole" for their personal pleasure, then there would be no "neovaginas".
(I am also pretty sure they aren't able to even make it so that the penetration of the neovagina is more sexually pleasing than the penetration of the mouth. Anal sex is likely more pleasant for a male.)

The "neovag" serves mostly as an exercise in misogyny. I honestly don't think it gives those who have it much happiness, other than being able to be in relationships with misogynist men who are happy to finally be able to penetrate a fuckhole that is just as they have always imagined a vagina should be.

[rumblingDMexploitingbstds]

To add, I meant another thread On MN that has turned nasty tonight, no reference to this one.

[OverthinkingSpartacus]

He should be housed in the male prison, on the wing with other sex offenders. He is male, he shouldn't be locked up with females. No males should be locked up with females be they burglars or rapists but the idea that people think it's ok to lock a violent man who has harmed females up with women who can't escape him. He doesn't become less if a threat to women just because he has had his penis removed.

I found this article a while back, it's not based on UK figures but discusses the implications of female prisons if every make identifying as trans were to be moved to the female estate.

[https://culturallyboundgender.wordpress.com/2015/05/17/prevalence-ii-on-prison-placement/ Prevelance On Prison Placement]]

[OverthinkingSpartacus]

Prison Placement

Fixed link

[GirlScout72]

Rumbling no bother, wasn't sure which one you meant. I'm on my mettle today, just been one of those peak trans days!

I've spent my entire life fighting the idea that I'm a second class citizen because I'm a woman, and I really thought feminism was getting somewhere, and then sometimes I listen and see all this stuff over the last day and a half and I honestly despair. THEY FUCKING HATE US. It really upsets me.

[Nellooo]

Srsly though, that other thread!