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The most glamorous girls in town are boys.

204 replies

PhyllisDoris · 15/03/2017 00:16

How is this ok, but dressing up as a black person isn't?

Isn't it about time men dressing as a parody of women was banned?

The most glamorous girls in town are boys.
OP posts:
letsghostdance · 15/03/2017 07:54

Italian Maybe it just isn't for you then? And that's okay. We don't all have to understand everything, but clearly lots of people love and enjoy drag.

Italiangreyhound · 15/03/2017 09:06

Going on stage on stilts Ian't drag. Dressing as a woman if a man and vice versa is drag. So it is not just about wanting to be taller!

Notmyrealname85 "I'm concerned that anyone on this thread has their confidence threatened so easily!!! Is anyone worried a drag queen is going to go after your man or something?"

Yeah you got me, that is my fear!

So objections to anything must come down to worried a drag queen is going to go after my man!

MN us incredibly supportive, just not on AIBU.

I don't see it as a celebration. I don't want stop it but I don't see anything celebratory generally.

Get a grip is so overused and really pointless. You won't convince anyone with 'Get a grip'.

Completely agree with Bob

Italiangreyhound · 15/03/2017 09:06

Lets I don't have a problem with people enjoying it. But I can still have an opinion, surely?

FlaviaAlbia · 15/03/2017 09:10

Ironic really, since the drag queen on the picture looks as a rough as fuck.

joystir59 · 15/03/2017 09:13

Gay men who dress in drag are doing so to elevate their status in a male dominated world in which they are perceived as lesser men. They parody women because women are below them in the pecking order. There is a corollary between this behaviour and 'blacking up', in that 'blackface' is an exertion of white privilege over a disadvantaged group- so drag is an exertion of male privilege over a disadvantaged group.

joystir59 · 15/03/2017 09:15

And it appalls and amazes me how feminism turns a blind eye to drag. As a lesbian out on the scene I always found drag obnoxious. There again the scene is dominated by gay men- who have scant respect in the main for lesbians

joystir59 · 15/03/2017 09:16

Mrs Brown's Boys is offensive in exactly the same way (discuss)

araiwa · 15/03/2017 09:19

lmao at OP

BaggyCheeks · 15/03/2017 09:20

Drag began in an era where women were far more glamourous than women tend to be these days. That's perhaps why it looks like a parody to our modern eyes.

Sorry but when were women far more glamorous than they are now? All women?

TheOnlyLivingDeadBoyInNewYork · 15/03/2017 09:20

Racism is much much worse...

Explain why please.

JaneJeffer · 15/03/2017 09:28

I personally hate drag and think it's done as an insult to women.

JaneJeffer · 15/03/2017 09:32

Notmyrealname your post is hilarious. "steal your man". seriously

SantinoRice · 15/03/2017 09:35

Notmyrealname I also like Violet but, let's be honest, GINGER WAS ROBBED. Wink

NotCarylChurchill · 15/03/2017 09:42

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SantinoRice · 15/03/2017 09:43

My only experience is from watching every episode of RPDR (& being on the judging panel, obvs 😉) and seeing documentaries such as Paris Is Burning (please, please watch that).

I love drag queens. I remember watching Priscilla Queen of the Desert when I was about 8 & being blown away by it. The costumes, the make up, the performances. I have always seen it as a celebration of women, not a mockery of women.

Yes, they're often funny. RPDR wouldn't be on TV if it wasn't funny. But if their whole objective was to take the piss out of women do you not think they'd take an easier route?

NotCarylChurchill · 15/03/2017 09:44

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BarbaraofSeville · 15/03/2017 09:45

Sexism is as bad as racism and homophobia, but is often treated as a bit of a joke. Imagine a woman, an Asian person and a gay couple walking past a building site, staffed by not very enlightened builders. Of course builders these days are just as politically correct as the most liberal of Mumsnetters, but bear with me.

Shouts that are derogatory to the gay couple (male for the sake of clarity) or the Asian person would be treated very seriously by the company, but a woman complaining about being catcalled is likely to be told 'lighten up love, they were paying you a compliment'.

cowgirlsareforever · 15/03/2017 09:46

Baggycheeks Google images of women in the past. I grew up in an extremely deprived north western town and I remember women from older generations, always wearing dresses, having their hair done at least once a week and wearing make-up. These women were working full-time, often in the cotton and garment industry and bringing up families and yet they would never go out of the house looking less than 'smart.'

BaggyCheeks · 15/03/2017 09:47

You're right. Women don't hold the patent in lipstick and dresses. But it's not men wearing lipstick and dresses, it's men dressing up as women which is damaging to women. It reinforces gender stereotypes and gives men the In to start telling women that they're womaning wrong.

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 15/03/2017 09:47

When is there going to be a separate board for this crap?

BaggyCheeks · 15/03/2017 09:49

cowgirls perhaps its a case of women not being expected to have to do those things. I don't wear dresses day to day because they're impractical for what I do, not because I don't care about looking smart when I leave the house.

Sonders · 15/03/2017 09:50

Ru fans - I hope you've all been watching the drrrrrama between Jujubee and Charlie Hides on Facebook.

In general, most drag artists aren't trying to be average women - they're a caricature of hyper femininity (like Gaga) and it comes from a place of love.

I think it's also important to point out that being woman isn't the punchline of the joke, it's very self-aware and self deprecating.

Klaphat · 15/03/2017 09:50

Men dressing as women is not remotely sexist and not at all comparable to blackface - what a ridiculous thing to say! Women do not hold the patent on lipstick and dresses.

That is a large part of the problem. If it's just about wanting to wear lipstick and dresses, leave women the fuck out of it. Except the woman concept is a key part, isn't it?

anotherpoisonprince · 15/03/2017 09:50

I saw Kinky Boots the musical a couple of weeks ago. The actors playing the drag queens were amazing and looked fabulous. I really enjoyed it I feel guilty now because I didn't realise it went against feminist values Hmm

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