The most glamorous girls in town are boys.

[PhyllisDoris]

How is this ok, but dressing up as a black person isn't?

Isn't it about time men dressing as a parody of women was banned?

Sexism is just as bad as racism and affects the world disproportionately.

Drag is comedy, comedy is not really paying homage is it. Honestly. I do think it is taking the piss. It doesn't offend me really. But it really isn't about paying homage to women.

If it's demeaning, maybe, but mostly it's because those guys love women and want to be like some kind of fantasy version of them. Besides, as.a ginger, and one of the last targets for denigration, I'd say grow a thicker skin.

DaveTheDesigner "If it's demeaning, maybe, but mostly it's because those guys love women and want to be like some kind of fantasy version of them." What makes you think the guys who do this love women? They love a highly made up, highly sexualised image of a woman. What has that to do with loving women?

I was being sarcastic in my post at 00:21. I was referring to the fact that sexism isn't taken as seriously as racism by society. I thought my post at 00:27 would have made that clear.

Greyhound drag is not comedy! Drag can often INCORPORATE comedy. There are drag artists out there who are dancers, performance artists, singers....they take it very seriously and don't just do it for laughts.

AND they don't all dress up in short skirts you know!

Not comedy

Not comedy

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JonesyAndTheSalad "Greyhound drag is not comedy! Drag can often INCORPORATE comedy. There are drag artists out there who are dancers, performance artists, singers....they take it very seriously and don't just do it for laughts."

What is it all about then, what is the point? I've been to a drag show, it was for fun, that is, I presume what it was all about. I am aware that in ancient times women's roles were played by men, both in Greek tragedy and comedy and even in Shakespearean times. There were historical reasons for it. So what is the reason for it now. Since women can sing and act for themselves?

Greyhound it's about entertainment! Women can sing for themselves of course they can...and they do. But equally, why can't men wear a dress and makeup and sing if they want?

Would you say the same of David Bowie? He considered what he did to be a form of drag. Lady Gaga always calls herself a Drag Queen.

Drag is about exagerration, fun, beauty and being as you want to be...whether that's a face full of makeup and a weird costume or a traditional party dress and makeup....or a nude body suit and a wig.

Chnging the way you look, being creative with the way you dress is self expression, it's a wonderful way to explore performance in many ways.

The old fashioned kind of drag, the traditional queen full of inuendo will never go away in all likelyhood because some people like to watch it but drag has developed and grown and is now a very broad art form.

JonesyAndTheSalad I guess I cannot see the point of it really. In pantomime it is tradition and I think it is aimed at comedy, the comedy dame. Not really sure why the prince is a woman. Maybe that is historical.

Maybe my experience of drag is very limited but it just doesn't interest me. I don't mind people doing it. But the poster in the OP says 'The most glamorous girls in town are boys." Suggesting men can do glammour better than women! Imagine if white people dressed as black people and suggested they were better at entertaining than black people. That would be pretty offensive, wouldn't it.

"Drag is about exaggeration, fun, beauty and being as you want to be..."

Well it's only about exaggeration in one direction isn't it? Surely. No one goes on stage on stilts and calls it drag, saying I want to be taller.

As I say, people can do it but I don't understand the appeal. And I can imagine many situations where dressing up as your own version of a group of people would be deemed offensive. It's not considered offensive by many because it's traditional, or alternative, and also because the 'object' is mostly women and few people care about them really.

I look quite Asian, or at least I used to when I was younger. I wore sarais and had Indians compliment me, I spoke Indonesian and had people ask me if I was Indonesian, I also got asked if I was Japanese, I guess I really did look quite Asian at one time (which delights me as I love Asian culture).

But if I made my living dressing in a sari and singing I bet people would shout 'cultural appropriation'!

Don't worry, I won't I really am pretty tone deaf!

I must admit, I did watch the Faking it series where a man was put through intensive training to be a drag star in 4 weeks. It was brilliant and very moving, can't find it on line. Only this small clip.

Most of my knowledge of drag comes from Drag Race and it seems to be a form of self-expression for most of the contestants, coupled with an interest in fashion and/or performing. I don't really see how it's offensive tbh.

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"Noone goes on stage on stilts and says I want to be taller"

I was expecting Ivy

And really love some of the dresses Ivy made, including the pineapple one that Manilla wore.

I'm concerned that anyone on this thread has their confidence threatened so easily!!! Is anyone worried a drag queen is going to go after your man or something? Am I getting the wrong end of the stick here? The tag line they're using is a JOKE. If you're feeling down please take some time to treat yourself. If drag doesn't interest you...ok :) I'm not interested in Formula 1 but don't want their cars taken away! Drag queens have been so hounded that their culture is usually incredibly supportive and inclusive, whether they do comedy or music or dramatic skits and whatever their backgrounds or how they've been treated by others. The comraderie is incredible....something I'm not sensing from many MNers recently

For what it's worth I'm a violet chachki fan :) Paris is Burning is a must watch!

I don't get what's sexist about drag queens. It's a celebration of a very particular kind of femininity. It's made by people who love women. It's not hateful.

I hope you're not being serious, OP.
It's just clothes and make up. Women don't own them, just as men don't own 'men's clothing'.
Get a grip, for goodness sakes.

I do have a problem with grown men dressed as barbie dolls referring to themselves as girls. The don't look or act like any women or girls I know.

Why not say 'the most glamorous men in town are drag'?

Drag began in an era where women were far more glamourous than women tend to be these days. That's perhaps why it looks like a parody to our modern eyes.

Glamorous not glamourous...