To wonder why England wants to keep Scotland?

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Or am I being really thick? NS has been causing no end of grief the past few years always complaining about how bad Scotland has it (despite receiving more money for Scotland than Scotland gives back) also promising English votes for English laws and then changing that when something she didn't like can up. Her financial plan depends on the North Sea oil. If Scotland keeps rights to that it'll last fifty years tops before oil runs out. She just seems to be a constant pain and wants special treatment which wales and NI don't ever seem to get. I do love Scotland but right now I'm inclined to cheerily wave them off and wish the good luck.

Missed last post: should say 90%+ on the basis of the current jurisdictional division, and some say Scotland would be entitled to more.

Wouldn't be enough to balance the budget on current prices though and (one hopes) it will continue to decline as cheaper renewables come on stream.

I wanted Scotland to stay last time, I believed in the benefits of the union. England has really fucked them over since then though. I know hope they leave for their own benefit. I'm English, living in England, I wish I could vote to leave England.

Same here fakename

I'm Scottish, lived in England since I was a child and got told to fuck off back to where I came from in the last indyref. Not looking forward to another round of that. I don't assume all English people are the same as Theresa May/David Cameron so I really wish some would stop assuming Scottish = Nicola Sturgeon.

I care about our shared history as a country.

I will be very sorry if Scotland leaves.

It would be a disaster. It's far more than shared history. It's actually splitting one country in two, a small island in two and putting a hard border down the middle.

For clarification I do not think Scotland =NS just like I'm not represented by the Tory government. Having looked into it I now agree we don't put more money into Scotland than we get out but it does seem that they get more money per head than England wales NI. Which does seem rather unfair. As I've said before I do love Scotland and I've wanted them to stay but the more NS bangs in about how hard Scottish life is the more inclined I am to say good luck go it alone then. I honestly would wish you all the best and hope it works out. I'm not trying to be goady I was just asking a question and it's great how many people have contributed.

NS is a pita about an independent Scotland, she & the SNP are living in a fools paradise if they honestly think that Scotland can stand on its own feet now. It is too late, Scotland should have got out in the 1970s when we had our first referendum.
I am Scottish first, British next and don't want Scotland to break away, especially with the way the world is at the moment. Scottish people had their say twice in the last 5 years, and NS will keep wasting money on referendums until she gets the answer she wants. She needs to get on with looking after the Scottish people, not pissing money away on more voting!

I think Scotland is justified in leaving the United Kingdom of GB and NI. The referendum for independence was predicated on staying with the EU. However, the success of the SNP and the destruction of Scottish labour probably means that there will be a Tory government for the foreseeable future.

I think if Scotland goes, and it's a big if, then Northern Ireland will go too. There could well be an alliance of Celtic nations. Certainly independence will change the political map of these islands.

IMO if the majority of Scots want to leave they should, it must be their choice not anyone else's. The rest of the UK can buy it's commodities from whoever it wants to, and the markets are likely to settle to levels that prevail now between the countries because of the existing infrastructure.

I think in the beginning Scotland will be preoccupied with introducing the Euro, and good luck to them when prices go up.

I feel sorry for the 1m voters in Scotland who voted to 'leave' in the EU referendum
Although on paper, just about all constituencies in Scotland voted to remain the final figures do not suggest an overwhelming support to remain
4,000,000 eligible voters in Scotland
1,600,000 voted to remain
1,000,000 voted to 'leave'
It is very sad that the English are subject to 'hate crimes' in Scotland especially as our countries have been united (it was a union not colonisation ) for 300 years and both benefitted from that union

I want Scotland to stay part of the UK

The referendum for independence was predicated on staying with the EU

This is as much of a myth as the "fact" that Scotland is subsidised by the rest of the UK.

Or that Spain would veto Scotland joining the EU.

Cameron announced the EU referendum in Jan 2013. The first indyref took place in Sep 2014.

The people of Scotland knew the referendum was coming.

BUT

Sadly I don't think there's a chance that NS will lose the next referendum so not only will we leave the EU, we'll break up the UK too. Scotland may well rejoin the EU. NI has the option of joining Ireland.

England and Wales are going to hell.

I think Gibraltar will also have a independence vote soon and may form a union with Scotland. Good for them, I hope they do.

What a shame, all the fault of fucking Brexit and all predicted.

I don't want to cheerily wave them off as I believe we're stronger as a Union.

However I would completely understand why they might choose to leave in a new referendum. Frankly, I would want to leave the Tory Brexit Britain too and I never thought I'd say I'd want to leave.

Good luck to them. Brexit has been a shock for many people and I think warrants a new referendum.

I am an English woman living in Wales. I would be so sad if Scotland decided to leave the union. Obviously it is not my decision to make and I realise that, but Scotland is an amazing country that shares so much art, music and culture with us.

I would really miss you Scotland.

I find it incredibly short sighted and odd logic that so many people are saying "I'm fed up with NS so I'd vote to get rid of Scotland"

Do people really make hypothetical important decisions about complex issues based on whether they like NS or not?

Haven't read the full thread, but does the EU even want an independent Scotland?

Is it really as simple as England NI and Wales leaving and Scotland staying put?? I doubt it, these things take years to agree.

NS only has one agenda for Scotland and its not education, health, policing.

It's sentimentality.

Scotland is NOT a net contributor to the UK. Anyone who says so is deluded.

Scotland are well and truly fucked if they leave the UK. They wouldn't be part of the EU. I think it would be sad to see Scotland go down the pan. I wonder where we'd stand on accepting refugees from the North when the looting begins. I think patrolling the border (and creating one) would cost a fortune.

The idea that England can 'keep Scotland' is the exact attitude that makes many Scottish want to have an independent country.
The English are a medium sized people on a medium island, and they don't 'own' Scotland, N. Ireland, Wales or any other place (OK maybe the Falklands and St Helens or something).
The United Kingdom is a union of equals, and it should be up to Scotland if they want to stay in that union, and England can leave if it wants to too.

Scotland voted to remain in the U.K. Then the U.K. "As a whole" voted to leave the E U.
I voted remain but I accept the uk voted to leave by a majority. Scotland wants to have its cake and eat it. If you want to be part of the uk you can't winge when it does something you don't like.

I'm Scottish, married to an English DH, two kids born in England, now live in Scotland again. We are a British family. We are one small island, it makes no rational sense to pull us to bits. I have more in common with someone from Belfast, Cardiff or London than I do with someone in Brussels or Oslo. We're all the same people in the British Isles, despite the "them and us" mentality which the SNP is trying to encourage.

Sick to the back teeth of referendums.

Cameron announced the EU referendum in Jan 2013. The first indyref took place in Sep 2014.

This is from the wiki link below. It's clear that Cameron just put the referendum to leave the EU as part of the manifesto. He didn't announce the referendum date until after the win in May 2015.

In January 2013, the British Prime Minister, David Cameron, committed the Conservative Party to a referendum before the end of 2017 on UK membership of the EU if they won the 2015 general election.[245] Legislation for an in/out EU referendum was approved by the House of Commons in November 2013.[246] Studies showed some divergence in attitudes to the EU in Scotland and the rest of the UK. Although a Scottish government review based on survey data between 1999 and 2005 found that people in Scotland reported "broadly similar Eurosceptic views as people in Britain as a whole",[247] Ipsos MORI noted in February 2013 that voters in Scotland said they would choose to remain in the EU in a referendum, while there was a majority for withdrawal in England.[248]

From wiki

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_independence_referendum,_2014

I would be really interested to know what Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson, David Davis and all, think of this.

They don't actually care fake. All they care about is a hard brexit. And Farage has no political say in the UK. He will soon loose his seat in Europe (which pays him a paltry £85,000 plus expenses per year). I care little of his 'opinion'.

It would be unfortunate if the good people of Scotland vote to leave the UK, and then discover their country is not eligible to join the EU due to their economic predicament.