To wonder why England wants to keep Scotland?

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Or am I being really thick? NS has been causing no end of grief the past few years always complaining about how bad Scotland has it (despite receiving more money for Scotland than Scotland gives back) also promising English votes for English laws and then changing that when something she didn't like can up. Her financial plan depends on the North Sea oil. If Scotland keeps rights to that it'll last fifty years tops before oil runs out. She just seems to be a constant pain and wants special treatment which wales and NI don't ever seem to get. I do love Scotland but right now I'm inclined to cheerily wave them off and wish the good luck.

I don't see the need to give wider airing to the ranting man in the video.

He probably gets wound up parking his car..

I don't see the need to give wider airing to the ranting man in the video.

I have my suspicions that he is actually a yesser - is that totally paranoid?

He a randomer on t'internet: Could be a Putin stooge!!

The Scots haters will enjoys this video, it's hilarious (I am Scottish, btw)

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Who are the Scots haters? Anyone who disagrees with Sturgeon?

And what point are you trying to make by posting links to foul mouthed tirades ?

Piglet - of course an independent country can decide what currency to have. Ireland kept the pound

Piglet - of course an independent country can decide what currency to have. Ireland kept the pound

Well they may not have a choice if they want to try to gain membership of the EU.

Well they may not have a choice if they want to try to gain membership of the EU.

There are currently (I think) 9 EU countries not using the Euro.

of course an independent country can decide what currency to have. Ireland kept the pound

Ireland uses the Euro. Ireland joined the EU before euro existed(1999) and adopted in 2002. New countries joining are expected to use it.

New countries joining are expected to use it.

Eventually, at some point in the future. 9 EU countries currently don't.

I think re the EU - it depends how much clout you have. How keen other countries are to accommodate your wishes. You don't get to choose your terms of entry. I imagine Scotland have a similar clout as they do in European Football.

IT still goes back to the fact that the people were asked. The people decided. NS and it seems its just wants to keep asking without respecting the will of the people. (Because it's not the answer they want)

Arguably, should Scotland leave we should have another referendum as fundamentally the question is different. We may not feel as equipped to go alone and wish to stay in the EU. Leaving Scotland to apply on their own. We could then block them....

Oh I despise the term RUk. We will still be the United Kingdom. We are united with Wales. So it's accurate. I guess we can choose what we call ourselves.

I think re the EU - it depends how much clout you have. How keen other countries are to accommodate your wishes. You don't get to choose your terms of entry. I imagine Scotland have a similar clout as they do in European Football

That is an excellent point. The UK did have clout and did get concessions- Scotland would not be in that position.

NS and it seems its just wants to keep asking without respecting the will of the people.

So she should ignore the will of all of the people that elected a pro indy majority in the Scottish parliament.? Why is the will of no voters more important than the will of yes voters?

Because they got a majority?

its You haven't responded to my point that voting for parliament is different to a single issue referendum.

When voting for your parliament, you need to take into account domestic policy such as education, NHS, not just one issue. Hence you may vote for someone but not agree with the whole of their mandate.

I don't think that is a difficult concept, do you?

Policies, not mandate

Hence you may vote for someone but not agree with the whole of their mandate.

I completely agree, hence why a single issue referendum is required.

I really believe the reasons for wanting to keep Scotland go back a long time. Over hundreds of years our English military, economic and social systems have gradually dominated the neighbours (Wales, then Ireland and Scotland). At this stage their economies, social systems, cultures are so closely coupled with the English ones that it's logistically and culturally very hard to separate.

Will be an interesting to see how all this plays out ...

ER its they had one, did you miss it?

Over hundreds of years our English military, economic and social systems have gradually dominated the neighbours (Wales, then Ireland and Scotland). At this stage their economies, social systems, cultures are so closely coupled with the English ones that it's logistically and culturally very hard to separate. No wonder the SNP get so many votes.

they had one

They did. And the result was no. And Scotland did not put in motion leaving the UK.

Then there was an election. Where people voted for a pro-indy majority. Then there was Brexit, which Scots did not vote for.

A new referendum is both fair and democratic.

Following your logic, if a party stands in election and does not win, it should respect the will of the people and disband, never to stand again.

"Over hundreds of years our English military, economic and social systems have gradually dominated the neighbours (Wales, then Ireland and Scotland). At this stage their economies, social systems, cultures are so closely coupled with the English ones that it's logistically and culturally very hard to separate. "

... So, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated

its People voted for a pro Indy majority? I presume people voted on other issues too.

Like you said it needed a single issue referendum. It had one. The Indy idea was rejected. The issue needs to rest as it caused so much division and hostility within its own people and families.

But it not an election to be held every five years. It's a once in a generation thing. Unless another referendum on re joining is held every five years

Nyx, derxa, I didn't mean that in any negative way, just reflecting on what has actually happened over hundreds of years. There are similar patterns in Spain, France, etc.

Like you said it needed a single issue referendum. It had one. The Indy idea was rejected. The issue needs to rest as it caused so much division and hostility within its own people and families.

In your opinion.