To ask how you feel about Article 50 being triggered tomorrow

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or at some point this month?

And I know there is a EU board tucked away somewhere but I'm interested in everyone's views.

Cartright 😂

"as we live in a democracy and the gov are influenced by public opinion" and tabloid hate speech influences public opinion .

Also in the Independent, if you are allergic to the Telegraph. Is the Independent "Merkel bashing"?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-angela-merkel-eu-migrants-deal-a7445261.html

"as we live in a democracy and the gov are influenced by public opinion" and tabloid hate speech influences public opinion

So is the answer to not live in a democracy where the gov are influenced by public opinion?

Genuine question - I am interested in what you see as the solution to this problem

I love how Wrong is patiently explaining that Leave voters have only the highest and noblest sentiments towards the rest of humanity. And in the midst of it, Rainmaker shows up to demonstrate her highest and noblest sentiments towards the rest of humanity:

All the whining and crying from the remain idiots makes it even sweeter.

Elements I think you are falling into the trap if thinking Leavers are a homogenous mass. We're not.

if should be of, if I really need to correct any typos before someone else does

"Genuine question - I am interested in what you see as the solution to this problem". If it's a genuine question.....

• A responsible, rational and balanced press.

• Businesses not advertising in Daily Hate & 'Sun Foreigner Bashing Fun' s onto to promote misinformation and fake news.

• Education, education, education also in terms of citizenship, responsibility.

• Politicians with backbone who are well educated on how to run a country. Not yay saying careerists.

• A social democracy not a neo-liberal state, which the UK and US are. Neorealism emphasizes the idea that states have no reason to cooperate with one another, which is Brexit suits the neoliberal agenda in the UK.

Neorealism means privatisation, austerity, deregulation and reductions in government spending and the ultimate 'race to the bottom'. It's not humane or conducive to democracy. As it were.

@littlemissangrypants

I am just bloody sad about brexit. I came over from Germany as a 14 year old. I have spent 20 years here and have 2 almost adult kids who are also German as their father didn't want to marry me. Tonight I am so worried about going back to Germany where I have no ties that frankly killing myself seems the only way out. I left Germany as I was raped and abused and the thought of going back is worse than death. My kids don't even speak German and have never held a passport or even left England. It's all just shit but I guess there will be people celebrating tonight

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*which is why Brexit suits the neoliberal agenda

Elements I think you are falling into the trap if thinking Leavers are a homogenous mass. We're not.

which is why leavers will be disappointed by Brexit. So much for will of the people. Brexit is more like deal or deal. What's in the box? Who knows, who cares we've taken back control!

Long overdue.

In November 2016, the3million and New Europeans launched a pledge to enable MPs across parties to show their support to the 3 million EU citizens who are living in the UK with a level of anxiety rarely seen in peace time. www.the3million.org.uk/research

WrongTrouser
I think I can help those of you who are outraged at pp celebrating leaving the EU when there are EU citizens whose future is in doubt. The vast majority of the population support current EU migrants being given full rights (I think around the 90% mark). The gov have said repeatedly that this is their aim in fact if it wasn't for Merkel, this issue would already be resolved - most EU countries were happy to do a reciprocal deal, Merkel scuppered it.

I, and I expect most leavers, don't think for a moment that EU citizens will be made to leave and don't want them to. I'm not denying that the uncertainty must be stressful, but the uncertainty of whether we will actually Brexit has been stressful - the outcome will effect my life and that of my children.

So it is not that people are callous, it is that they think EU nationals will be able to stay.

Thank you for expressing what many Leavers feel. I am sick of saying that I am happy for EU nationals who are living and working here should remain if they so wish and I am sick of countering the hysterical bullshit spewed out by Remainers as seen on this and every other referendum thread on here.

Well

Let's hope you are both right, eh?

Id rather deal with Trump anyday than the chaos this country is descending into.
Give it 10yrs and you'll be getting red cross parcels from the sky

Well.
Thanks for your leave vote.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out will you?

Honestly some the hysteria I'm seeing on this thread is ridiculous. What will actually change is very little. We will continue to have access to the single market however without freedom of movement on either side. It will however be pretty easy to get a visa provided you can prove A) You are who you say you are B) Your not a murderer and C) You have a firm job offer to come to. No one currently living in the UK will be deported unless they are discovered to be criminal or otherwise a blight on society.

Britain will continue to contribute to the EU in order to have access to single market at roughly the same level as we are at moment however there will be no rebate and no extra money will go to the NHS.

And that my friends is exactly what will happen

Less...I hope you are correct

Of course it means no one - leavers or remainers - will be happy but i guess that's nothing new!

And as regards the "hysteria" - this is people's lives and families we are talking about. People are scared. Not something to joke about imo.

"What will actually change is very little. We will continue to have access to the single market however without freedom of movement on either side"

How?

Government says they d not wish to be part of the single market. In order to retain full access to the single market there will have to be FoM. That's a condition. It's the same for trade deals with India and Africa: visas for Indians and Africans to enter the UK in return for trade deals.

Less..are you drunk. They have said this wont happen.

WrongTrousers it's nice to see that you just don't think that the government will send EU citizens back.
However, I'm sure you will also understand that having NO confirmation rom the government AND the clear message from TM that we will be used as bargaining chips (and therefore disposable) does not make any of the EU citizens confortable and confident that this will be the case.

I would also argue that it's easy to say it's Merckels fault. But seeing that TM tactic for negociations is to use said citizens as bargaining chips, do you think she would have agreed to anything if Germany hadn't said anything? I don't think so. She would have lost one of her ways of putting pressure on the EU.

What is nice though is to hear about Leave voters saying clearly that they don't want EU citizens to be sent away.
I'm going to ask a question though. Do yu also expect them to be able to stay with the same rights than British citizens so the same access to the NHS or benefits or pension? Because you can tell pople they can stay but you ask them to pay taxes the same way for no support at all, they might well feel very unwelcomed and will go away anyway.
For me this would be a way to kick people out through the back door, which is no different TBH.

less you are still in dream land.

The EU will NOT go back onto one it's pillar and the FOW is one of them. You cant cherry pick.
That's why, btw, TM said she doesn't want to be in the EEA etc... she wants something else. Because being part of the SM is and will always be linked to the FOM

I think you are falling into the trap if thinking Leavers are a homogenous mass. We're not.

Actually, Wrong it has been pretty fucking clear from all these threads over all these months that Leavers are certainly not a homogeneous mass.

For a start, we've had every permutation of "of course we're leaving the single market" "of course we'll have access to the single market" "of course we're leaving everything to that even has the letters E and U, like Euratom" "immigrants are clogging up schools and the NHS" "immigrants are awesome and should all stay"...

I'm not drunk however I'm pretty sure that what they finally cobble together will look like that. Free movement of goods and virtually free movement of people with a few caveats. I don't really think free movement of people will last the next two years especially since Erdogan's about to turn on the tap because of Germany and the Netherland refusal to allow mass rallies of Turks in support of his dictatorship