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To ask how you feel about Article 50 being triggered tomorrow

755 replies

Ehsamy · 13/03/2017 11:37

or at some point this month?

And I know there is a EU board tucked away somewhere but I'm interested in everyone's views.

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LouKout · 14/03/2017 07:16

LaLeLou, sorry. Autocorrect

Devilishpyjamas · 14/03/2017 07:18

Slightly surprised you think the UK is the 'best country in the world to live in' then. IME it's like anywhere else - has its pros and cons.

Lalelou · 14/03/2017 07:19

LouKout, I think my next name change will have to be Lake Louise, love it Smile Thanks.

LouKout · 14/03/2017 07:21
Grin
Egoanono · 14/03/2017 07:26

Lalelou it's vile isn't it? I just cannot understand people. I am outraged by last night's vote.

ToastDemon · 14/03/2017 07:26

Egoanon exactly.
I never understood how some Germans could have cheered as the Jews were rounded up.
Now I do.

Grindelwaldswand · 14/03/2017 07:31

Im emigrating as soon as possible to the USA.
jumps ship
I voted to leave but we've been sold a lie if i could re vote I'd have voted to remain
The leave vote was bought on lies upon lies.

FourToTheFloor · 14/03/2017 07:31

I said to DH that perhaps they are using last nights vote as a bargaining chip. I don't condone it (DH is Irish and will NOT apply for citizenship) so I do feel for EU citizens and the uncertainty but maybe [clutches straws] they are using it to get a better outcome??

frumpet · 14/03/2017 07:36

Disappointed and sadly resigned to the fact that it is happening .

I might feel slightly more reassured if the ' feeling excited ' brigade didn't remind me quite so much of MLM posts on Facebook Sad

Badders123 · 14/03/2017 07:39

Grindel

How nice for you! Most leave who regret their vote don't have that choice

Ditto remain voters

Oh well.

You helped fuck my country. Hope things work out for you >bitter

Devilishpyjamas · 14/03/2017 07:45

Slow hand clap grindel. You have risked the future of people like my severely disabled son - who cannot leave the country (nowhere would have him - he's too expensive). Enjoy your new life.

kalinkafoxtrot45 · 14/03/2017 07:48

Staging my own Brexit and applying for a German passport. I don't want to be part of this country any more.

WrongTrouser · 14/03/2017 08:00

Those who voted Brexit and are celebrating kicking out good, innocent people who have lived here peacefully for many years, shame on you for celebrating this. It's like bloody nazi Getmany. Have a word with yourselves

I think I can help those of you who are outraged at pp celebrating leaving the EU when there are EU citizens whose future is in doubt. The vast majority of the population support current EU migrants being given full rights (I think around the 90% mark). The gov have said repeatedly that this is their aim in fact if it wasn't for Merkel, this issue would already be resolved - most EU countries were happy to do a reciprocal deal, Merkel scuppered it.

I, and I expect most leavers, don't think for a moment that EU citizens will be made to leave and don't want them to. I'm not denying that the uncertainty must be stressful, but the uncertainty of whether we will actually Brexit has been stressful - the outcome will effect my life and that of my children.

So it is not that people are callous, it is that they think EU nationals will be able to stay.

Devilishpyjamas · 14/03/2017 08:08

But EU citizens are already leaving. Clearly they're not willing to take the risk.

WrongTrouser · 14/03/2017 08:13

They are free to do so, if that's what they want to do. That doesn't mean talk about pp celebrating people being kicked out or invoking the Nazi holocaust Confused is valid.

MarasmeAbsolu · 14/03/2017 08:33

Wrongtrouser - yes, free to do so, with the warm feeling of being valued, in a country most of us have worked hard to contribute to.

It's *affect, by the way...

Lalelou · 14/03/2017 08:34

"maybe [clutches straws] they are using it to get a better outcome??"

Causing horrible uncertainty for 3 million people, women, men, children who came here legally or who are British but happen to have one parent born in Paris, Berlin, Amsterdam, Rome........ as a calculated strategy to broker a trade deal is pathetic, inhumane and sadly completely ineffective.

Wrong if 90% of British people are against kicking EU citizens out, it's not really much of a strong hand is it? IME most people are apathetic and couldn't care less about what happens with any of the 3 millions women, men, children. They only care about themselves. If some or all 3 million were deported, received letters from the home office to prepare to leave, were unable to begin medical treatment because they don't know where they will be living in 2 years time, or lost civil rights, I suspect that most people wouldn't mind that at all.

I doubt that Angela Merkel prevented the safe guarding of EU and British expats. I believe there were 4 countries that hesitated about a reciprocal deal but Germany wasn't one of them as far as I am aware. But Merkel bashing fits nicely with that silly myth of the scary EU as world power, doesn't it.

FWIW
www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/04/brexit-campaigners-theresa-may-guarantee-eu-citizens-rights

"Michael Gove and other Tory Brexit campaigners on Sunday called on Theresa May to unilaterally guarantee the rights of 3.2 million EU citizens to remain in the UK, as they back a parliamentary report that brands the government policy as “unacceptable”.

Gove is one of several pro-Brexit Tories on the all-party select committee on exiting the EU who say that May’s approach is causing great “anxiety” and “uncertainty” to people who work hard in the UK, pay their taxes and deserve immediate reassurance about their futures."

Rainmaker1 · 14/03/2017 08:44

All the whining and crying from the remain idiots makes it even sweeter. Champagne at the ready!

MarasmeAbsolu · 14/03/2017 08:46

Rainmaker - people like you who rejoice at the misfortune of others are abhorrent

WrongTrouser · 14/03/2017 08:50

Maras If you want to have a conversation, that's fine with me. That's what I come on MN for. If you're going to correct my spelling though, I really can't be bothered.

Cartright · 14/03/2017 08:53

French wine? Rainmaker1 Shame on you. Why aren't you supporting British farmers? They're going to need all the help they can get.

WrongTrouser · 14/03/2017 08:57

....... as a calculated strategy to broker a trade deal is pathetic, inhumane and sadly completely ineffective

Has anyone in the gov said this? My understanding is that it was more about getting a good deal for UK citizens living in the EU. I have read (in Guardian, I think) that Merkel did scupper a reciprocal deal - I will try to find the article. I don't think saying Merkel was responsible for something is "Merkel bashing". We are allowed to criticise politicians, I believe.

IME most people are apathetic and couldn't care less about what happens with any of the 3 millions women, men, children. They only care about themselves. If some or all 3 million were deported, received letters from the home office to prepare to leave, were unable to begin medical treatment because they don't know where they will be living in 2 years time, or lost civil rights, I suspect that most people wouldn't mind that at all

I disagree with you that people don't care and I think it is relevant what people want as we live in a democracy and the gov are influenced by public opinion.

Flumpernickel · 14/03/2017 09:00

"Egoanon exactly.
I never understood how some Germans could have cheered as the Jews were rounded up.
Now I do."

^Utterly ridiculous and offensive comparison here. Get a grip. Biscuit

Flumpernickel · 14/03/2017 09:02

We are leaving a failing political trading platform that outgrew its stated purpose, not invoking a genocidal holocaust. Lets try to keep some perspective here.