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To ask how you feel about Article 50 being triggered tomorrow

755 replies

Ehsamy · 13/03/2017 11:37

or at some point this month?

And I know there is a EU board tucked away somewhere but I'm interested in everyone's views.

OP posts:
Egoanono · 13/03/2017 18:20

Heehighis I don't think Trump can take much credit for the economy booming in the USA. He's only been in office 5 minutes.

HeeHighls · 13/03/2017 18:24

"fulloffunreally
UK hasn't produced much lately really. It's mostly financial services now. So imports will be expensive unless a WTO deal is VERY advantageous.

Will take years, and in the meantime.....how long do you think it would take to set up "in house" production of formerly imported goods? Why has that not happened already.

We will be importing forever. With tariffs."

We could be growing our own salads within months given the will.
Have you even seen the films of how Germany recovered after the war? Then looked at us? It's shameful.

It's also shameful that not one politician from any party has any leadership quality.

Twinchaos1 · 13/03/2017 18:25

Weary, but if it is going to happen lets get it started. Sad that the breakup of the U.K. is more likely tonight. Gladder than ever that my own family plans to exit are moving forward and hopefully we will have left this behind by the end of the year.

Greenteeth · 13/03/2017 18:27

"You get the impression from some on here that they are actively willing for a poor outcome for the UK"

Like with our super powers? These sorts of posts suggest that the Brexit camp will always blame any poor outcomes on either 'Remoaners' or the other 27 EU countries. They will never acknowledge that they were misled or voted leave because they don't them foreigners.

PanGalaticGargleBlaster · 13/03/2017 18:31

I voted remain Green

solittletime · 13/03/2017 18:31

Feels slightly surreal.

I don't fully buy in to the democracy in action thing. A democratic election votes for events that are eventually reversible (election of a prime minister - if it doesn't work out you can change it after a few years).
It doesn't feel THAT democratic that almost half the country voted against something that is irreversible and can't do anything about it.

fulloffunreally · 13/03/2017 18:33

Don't think it will happen tonight.

There is a problem (wobble) probably Ms Sturgeon and independence vote again...so La May has to revise her strategy.... so it will be end March. So they say.

Honestly the timing by Sturgeon was great whether you agree with her or not.

The juggernaut has been slowed down.

End of March, remember you heard it here first!

What year I don't know.

annandale · 13/03/2017 18:38

Purits, I guess I meant that it sounded so incredibly UK centric - 'somewhere on the continent' as if 'the continent' was some sideline somewhere thousands of miles away rather than the mainland of Europe. Reminded me of that old headline 'Fog; Continent Isolated' that was supposed to have been in one of the British papers.

TempsPerdu · 13/03/2017 18:44

Furiously wishing that I could lay claim to some citizenship other than British, so I could plan my escape route. I feel trapped.

Sad that the UK seems to be becoming increasingly insular, closed-minded and xenophobic. I no longer recognise my own country and the tangible shift in public attitudes actually bothers me more than the economic situation, grim though its is likely to be.

Angry at the thought that my children are likely to grow up in a country that's just a bit poorer, just a bit smaller and just a bit greyer than the one I grew up in, and that they won't enjoy the same rights to work and study abroad that have made such a positive difference to my life.

Renniehorta · 13/03/2017 18:49

How do I feel?
I feel very sad about it. Even now when I hear 'when we leave the EU...' it hits me all over again.

I am angry that my EU citizenship is almost certainly going to be taken away. I emailed Guy Verhofstadt the other day to thank him for his intervention. I am angry that 48% are being ignored as if we count for nothing.

I am angry with Jeremy Corbyn and his poor performance in the run up to the referendum.

I cannot summon up any interest in the minutiae of Brexit. It all comes to the same thing in the end.

I feel ashamed when I am with friends from other EU nations.

That's how I feel.

TheWoodlander · 13/03/2017 18:49

I firmly believe the referendum should never have even been called, but as it was, I believe Cameron should have used his head and made the rule a two thirds majority for such a major constitutional change. 52% is just not enough of a majority for such an upheaval - not to mention the lies told during the campaign. Outright lies: "facts are for pussies" Hmm

I'm watching the slow motion car-crash being played out in the HOC now - they've voted to disagree with the Lords amendment 1 - voting on amendment 2.

I think most remainers are just living in a state of resigned dread - not a lot we can do to stop TM steamrollering ahead now...

Greenteeth · 13/03/2017 19:05

Sorry Pan. Blush Emotions are running high. Wine

fulloffunreally · 13/03/2017 19:12

Well folks, there you have it. HOC have voted down the Lords amendment guaranteeing the rights of EU citizens in Britain after A50 is invoked.

That is very harsh IMV.

I would not like to be an EU citizen in UK right now. This is rather nasty isn't it.

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 13/03/2017 19:16

Its a shite state of affairs fullof

fulloffunreally · 13/03/2017 19:26

@Rufus,

I know emotions are high at the moment, but that to me is just pure xenophobia, or a big fat F off to our EU citizens here and the EU itself in other words.

Awful stuff really.

StripeyDress · 13/03/2017 19:27

It as awful, but why are we always surprised that bastards act like bastards?

It's like we have the memory span of goldfish.

ShoutOutToMyEx · 13/03/2017 19:29

HOC have voted down the Lords amendment guaranteeing the rights of EU citizens in Britain after A50 is invoked.

I could cry.

Badders123 · 13/03/2017 19:30

Time for 🍸🍷🥃🍹🍺

greenworm · 13/03/2017 19:33

I feel part relief, I want negotiations to get going so I can start to get an idea of what the future holds for me as a Brit living abroad in the EU, and make plans accordingly.

And part sadness, because I hoped it might never actually be triggered and there'd be a way out of actually going through with Brexit. But I think that possibility is vanishingly less likely.

PageNowFoundFileUnderSpartacus · 13/03/2017 19:35

It's no more than I expected from the Commons rent-a-mob but it absolutely stinks.

I wish every EU citizen living in the constituency of every MP who voted to treat them like bargaining chips would go to their next surgery, force him or her to look them in the eye and explain why they voted the way they did.

TheWoodlander · 13/03/2017 19:35

Wine everyone. before the fucking prices shoot up

fulloffunreally · 13/03/2017 19:37

Why is the Commons voting the EU citizens amendment down along with rejection of Parliament having a vote on any future deal?

I am sorry, but it is just unreal to me.

However maybe it is a delaying tactic. You know, the ping pong ball back and forth between Commons and Lords forever. It is infantile, and that is not to denigrate children either, who would have far more sense.

PageNowFoundFileUnderSpartacus · 13/03/2017 19:39

Labour peers at least have already indicated they're not inclined to vote to reinsert the amendments, so the ping-pong looks unlikely.

aquashiv · 13/03/2017 19:41

We can always rejoin...

fulloffunreally · 13/03/2017 19:43

Appalling stuff. But why am I surprised.

PageNow

Well if Labour peers are not going to challenge it's all over. Sad day for Britain and its EU citizens living here. I just don't know what to say.

But I wonder if the EU will reciprocate WRT all the ex pat Brits in the EU now. Nasty is not the word for this unnecessary mess.