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To ask how you feel about Article 50 being triggered tomorrow

755 replies

Ehsamy · 13/03/2017 11:37

or at some point this month?

And I know there is a EU board tucked away somewhere but I'm interested in everyone's views.

OP posts:
Ehsamy · 13/03/2017 17:30

Heartbroken for the sad, silly little country we left

Oh give over! I'm a Remainer but comments like this make me furious.

OP posts:
HeeHighls · 13/03/2017 17:30

We're not looking for bunnies and unicorns but to reignite links with the Commonwealth and former Colonies.
I also want to stop the overseas aid and instead trade, as that promotes wealth and a workforce.

To give aid is an insult. It's saying, "You're are useless so we, Great Britain will give you money." India have already said they don't want it.

As an example.
We need avocados and Central America is struggling to meet the demand.

South Africa can meet it.
President Zuma spent our aid on his palace.

So stop sending aid and trade instead. The blacks of ZA are killing one another and white farmers too who are their bread basket.
Why? They want some of that and are so poor, as to be desperate.

Give them and others in the World some pride. The African standing at the intersection with a bag of oranges who exists on £2 a day, to go home to a tin shack, won't thank Aid, he want's to work.

We should enable that.

Whilst I'm spouting. If we give people their pride through working and building their Country/Continent they won't want to come to cold, miserable Britain. So less strain on our resources.

It's so simple, yet that ridiculous woman is fixated on Grammar Schools.

I've used South Africa (ZA) as an example as the poverty there breaks my heart and it doesn't need to be.

By the way, the principles apply to the career jobless in the UK too. Not anyone, but those who leave school, sign on and that's their life until state pension.

We have to instil pride whether that be one leaving school in the UK or the African living in a tin hut beneath the wealthy high ups.
Both must be able to see a way to climb up, but giving money is not the way.

Badders123 · 13/03/2017 17:30

Luckily the dc and I have that option (thanks Mum!)
I will do it if it means my dc will have FOM and to study abroad

fulloffunreally · 13/03/2017 17:32

All very fine to say our imports will carry on as normal, but there will be TARIFFS you see.

Making things so much more expensive all round. But I'm sure the leavers had that one figured out as they placed their X.

Orangebird69 · 13/03/2017 17:35

And what are those tariffs?

Orangebird69 · 13/03/2017 17:37

And if the TARIFFS do make things to expensive to buy, would this possibly make it more finacially sensible to produce 'in house'? Therefore creating jobs, boosting the economy etc?

Who knows? I don't. You don't.

fulloffunreally · 13/03/2017 17:42

UK hasn't produced much lately really. It's mostly financial services now. So imports will be expensive unless a WTO deal is VERY advantageous.

Will take years, and in the meantime.....how long do you think it would take to set up "in house" production of formerly imported goods? Why has that not happened already.

We will be importing forever. With tariffs.

CrowyMcCrowFace · 13/03/2017 17:45

Why are you furious OP?

You asked how people feel: that's how I feel.

It was a monumentally stupid decision & from here, the UK does indeed look both sad & silly.

OK, I'll grant you I probably needn't be heartbroken given I've safely exited the circling drain & taken my immediate family with me, but I'm awfully worried for the people I care about who are still in the UK.

I get no pleasure at all from watching from a safe distance. No popcorn being popped here.

PoundlandUK · 13/03/2017 17:45

We will be importing forever. With tariffs.

and with shrunken-value mini-pounds Grin

StripeyDress · 13/03/2017 17:46

How do I feel about Article 50 being triggered tomorrow?

Hmm.

That the EU's inherent democratic deficit was always going to end in tears at some point...the technocrats had years to do,something about it and blithely kept on riding the gravy train into the horizon...despite even that bastion of Keynesian thought going "Err, Greece...(clears throat) What are you doing to Greece?"

That we (British Empire) got China addicted to opium to break up their loose collection of disparate lands held together by the cultural memory of a faded military empire and a collection of linguistically privileged and over educated Mandarins, before endearing in with the gunships to devour the spoils. They just got us hooked to,cheap credit and are now buying up assets rather than sending in the gunships, but still, the parallels are obvious.

That all this division means that working people are comprehensively screwed, right, left and center. Or rather, right, right and right.

I'll admit that the phrase "Airstrip One" has crossed my mind, but I do try to avoid Orwell as a political touchstone being as he was a bought and paid for propagandist, plain and simple.

That everyone is engaged in increasing petty bunfights that scream Divide and Rule 101, and that I wish had the wit not to fall for the utter trivialization of politics, and how vulnerable that makes everyone.

StripeyDress · 13/03/2017 17:49

So about usual for a Monday then.

fulloffunreally · 13/03/2017 17:53

I don't think it will happen tonight anyway. Could be wrong, but some things are coming into my news feeds. Amendments by the Lords not bouncing back according to plan or something.

But once again we don't know. Ridiculous to be hanging on the precipice like this.

fulloffunreally · 13/03/2017 17:54

If it doesn't pass tonight, it will be end March.

Greenteeth · 13/03/2017 17:57

"Toast, when we're roughly a 80% import/20% export, do you really think other countries won't want to SELL to us because we've left the EU?" that's very 'pink map thinking'. UK consumers stand to loose out more than EU producers, all 27 EU countries still have each other to trade with and the union is more important to the EU than Brits.

lavenderbongo · 13/03/2017 17:59

I feel sad and disappointed but relieved that we no longer live in the sad little country the UK is going to become.

I lived in Europe and worked in the European Parliament and I'm very sad that my kids will never be a part of that dream. I can't get over how isolationist the world is becoming and I feel very sad that the dream of coming together and working together, that was born after wwII breaking apart.

Greenteeth · 13/03/2017 17:59

'Pink map thinking' as in looking at the Brexit trade agreements with the EU solely from a UK-based bias and perspective rather than seeing the bigger picture objectively.

QueenOfTheCatBastards · 13/03/2017 18:01

I feel angry and cross that an unelected troll is fucking up the country.

I'm ashamed to come from a city that voted for this.

PanGalaticGargleBlaster · 13/03/2017 18:03

You get the impression from some on here that they are actively willing for a poor outcome for the UK just so they can smugly tut on the sidelines and say "I told you so".

callmeadoctor · 13/03/2017 18:04

Oh get a grip everyone!!!! When did everybody become so pessimistic? (and so smug!) (Meant in a light hearted with a little bit of serious manner thrown in) Grin

callmeadoctor · 13/03/2017 18:05

Bring it on!!!! Thats what I say Grin

fulloffunreally · 13/03/2017 18:06

Lack of information would make anyone anxious and a bit wary surely?

HeeHighls · 13/03/2017 18:10

There is absolutely no reason why we can't raise salad crops as in the Netherlands. We should never be importing salad yet subsidising our farmers.
We just need to break free.
Mad May isn't the one to do it though. Probably at home right now, designing a universal Grammar School uniform.
She should watch Jeremy Kyle to see where the education system has failed young people.

Love or hate Trump. The economy's booming, jobs are being created.
What has May done?

CrowyMcCrowFace · 13/03/2017 18:11

Why callmeadoctor?

What awesome things do you think will happen?

fulloffunreally · 13/03/2017 18:15

Why haven't we grown salad crops already within the EU?

Brexit won't magic up any lollo rosso.