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To be terrified about what will happen if the Gender Identity Bill is passed?

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TheWorldAccordingToToads · 08/03/2017 19:42

I'm a nervous wreck right now Sad

Will it replace sex as a protected characteristic? Does that mean that women will have no legal protection at all?

I'm scared Sad.

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Mumoftwoyoungkids · 08/03/2017 23:43

Good thought. Poor Fred. He was really looking forward to prison too. Maybe he could hand himself in.

TheWorldAccordingToToads · 08/03/2017 23:44

No I do not have any problems with transgendered people. I just don't agree with gender self identification and neither do lots of trans gendered people.

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Willow2017 · 08/03/2017 23:46

I am truly shocked by the prejudice and bigotry in some of the comments here, the hatred and intolerance is ugly
Any professionals we come into contact with are trained in their field and a bound by their code of conduct, I doubt anyone is going to train in a field then decide they want to say they identify as the opposite gender just to make YOU feel uncomfortable
Identity is a personal thing and no one has the right to judge anyone else on how they identify

I sure can if they look like a man, act like a man, have a dick like a man, have a beard and expect me to accept them as a bloody woman.

I sure as hell do if I am in a womans refuge and my abusive ex rocks up telling them that he identifies as a woman and BY LAW they have to let him in.

I can if I am in a womans changing area and some bloke decides he identifies as a woman and comes in for a perv.

If my friend is raped by a man who then decides he identifies as a woman and is tried as a woman and sent to a womans prison to terrify the women there. AND his crime is put on the statistics for 'womens crimes' then I can get bloody angry that this absolute bullshit is even consiedered in parliament.

BevGoldbergsSister · 08/03/2017 23:48

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TasLondon · 08/03/2017 23:48

I hadn't heard of this before, but having looked into it, the proposal is that "gender identity" replaces "gender reassignment" as a protected characteristic under the Equality Act 2010. The proposal is not to remove or replace "sex" as a protected characteristic. There are already exemptions for "sex" in just the kind of situation that the OP refers to, e.g. women's refuge centre, jobs which require someone of a particular sex for reasons of privacy and decency, changing room attendant. So one could assume, although it's safer not to assume anything, that those exemptions would also apply to "gender reassignment". Maria Miller is the MP to write to about this if you have concerns [email protected], aks her, she'll have to answer.

TheWorldAccordingToToads · 08/03/2017 23:48

I just don't understand how we have got to the point where speaking up about women's rights is now considered bigoted.

I don't understand how we have got to the point where women talking about our biology is now bigoted and trans phobic.

I am pro women and girls and anti gender self ID. I am certainly not trans phobic.

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Duck90 · 08/03/2017 23:53

I stand by ... live and let live!

Plus Social care workers have police checks done, if they have a criminal record that won't be erased due to gender identity changes.

DianaMemorialJam · 08/03/2017 23:56

If i have a male horse who is scared of mice, prefers a cosy woollen rug to a hardewearing canvas one, and likes to hang round with his girl horse mates in the field, can i put a pink ribbon in his mane, identify him as female and put him in the fillies races?

I would make a fortune at the bookies...

This made me chuckle

Op I'm with you

We live in a time of GCF=bigotry.

They are driiiiiinking that kool Aid!

MercyMyJewels · 08/03/2017 23:59

Duck
That will be nice for people when their young daughters have to see naked cocks in the changing rooms

Pawpainting · 08/03/2017 23:59

It's already happened in Canada that a man claimed to be transgender to access women's homeless shelters where he then sexually assaulted two women Sad

TheWorldAccordingToToads · 09/03/2017 00:00

The TRA's aren't telling men that they need to step aside and allow trans men into their toilets and changing rooms. They aren't telling gay men that they must have sex with trans men otherwise they are transphobic bigots. They aren't telling men to STFU, move aside and give up their rights so that trans men can feel validated. They aren't encouraging trans men to redefine what it means to be a man or tell men what being a man is really about.

Of course they aren't. All of the focus is on allowing trans women to force their way into female spaces, no matter how vulnerable the women in those spaces may be and no matter how triggering/upsetting/distressing these women may find having a biological man in there with them. These women simply need to shut up and deal with it because a trans women's feelings are far more important than a woman's right to feel safe/be safe.

Sports women are being expected to move on and compete with trans women even if in some cases that is bloody dangerous for the women involved and end up getting seriously injured as a result of competing against someone with all the physical advantages of being male. But who cares about that? Just as long as the trans womens feelings are validated, that's the most important part.

IMO if these so called trans activists really give a shit about transgendered people they would be campaigning for more gender neutral/unisex facilities. They would be campaigning for trans gendered people to have their own sports categories, their own prisons and their own support services. They would be discussing what could be done if trans gendered people were unable to have their own spaces and discussing how we could decided what to do on a case by case basis rather than making a blanket policy of just letting trans women in female spaces.

This is what makes me angry. Men aren't being told to budge up and let trans men into their spaces. It only seems to be women who are expected to do that and labelled nasty bigots if we are uncomfortable with it.

Someone else mentioned that poster's new trans policy at work and how trans women or men identifying as women should be put on the women's ward. If any women object then they must be told that their views are not tolerated and if they keep objecting they will be removed. So STFU or GTFO basically. These are vulnerable women with severe mental health issues yet they are basically being told that men's feelings being validated is more important than their mental health. I notice that that poster didn't mention similar policy for allowing trans men onto mens wards and any man who objects being told to STFU or GTFO basically. I wonder why this is?

Why aren't people who come here to accuse us of bigotry thinking about this more? Why aren't they asking themselves why all the focus seems to be on letting trans women, or men identifying as women, into women's spaces and never the other way round?

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DJBaggySmalls · 09/03/2017 00:03

Duck90
I stand by ... live and let live!
Abusive men dont. Self identification is the problem, not trans people.
Abusive men would be able to gain access to the local women's shelter. Background checks wont change that.
A rape victim who refused to be examined by a bearded women could be prosecuted or refused treatment.

Willow2017 · 09/03/2017 00:03

I believe in treat others, as you would wish to be treated

Oh the flipping irony!

TheWorldAccordingToToads · 09/03/2017 00:05

Plus Social care workers have police checks done, if they have a criminal record that won't be erased due to gender identity changes.

When it comes to care workers, it's not crime I'm worried about tbh. It's about the respect and dignity that the patient/client deserves.

If someone requests a carer of the same sex they should be given one. They shouldn't be given one who simply feelz like the opposite sex or identifies as the opposite sex.

What are your views on men being able to self identify their way into rape crisis centres or DV shelters where there will be vulnerable women? If gender self ID becomes law then that could well happen (and indeed has already started happening in Canada and the States).

But you know, live and let live, eh? Hmm

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Duck90 · 09/03/2017 00:08

Mercy (ironic)

Should seeing a penis be that awful, it's just the human body?

BevGoldbergsSister · 09/03/2017 00:10

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TheWorldAccordingToToads · 09/03/2017 00:11

We don't have a clue what's happening here or what we're getting into. It's only normal to be worried.

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MercyMyJewels · 09/03/2017 00:12

Dyck
So I go to the gym most days. Open plan. One private changing room. Few use it.

So if a big 6 ft 4 transwoman is allowed in to change, brandishing her fully functioning big bare dong, who would you feel about that? What about the young girls going swimming? What about the older ladies doing their yoga classes? Are we all to wait in a queue for the one private changing room so that big Sylvia is allowed to change in the Ladies'?

And what happens late at night when there are few in the changing room. Feeling safe getting changed?

Duck90 · 09/03/2017 00:14

bev
Where did I say flashing ? Someone said seeing a penis a changing room, which could happen when trying to quietly changing in a corner. Flashing is illegal and different.

Pawpainting · 09/03/2017 00:17

Yes duck, any woman who doesn't want to see a strangers penis, or want their daughters to see them is a hysterical prude. Hmm

I had a male midwife assist me with childbirth. I was asked if that was ok beforehand and I said ok. If a woman specifically asks for a female care provider and is told no then that is wrong and could be detrimental to her mental health. What's so hard to understand about that?

thedogsitter · 09/03/2017 00:19

The gender identity bill may or may not get passed - what is more scary is that organisations like prisons, schools, media etc are already behaving as if it ALREADY IS LAW.

  1. Prisons are ALREADY moving men to womans prisons if they ID as female. Ian Huntley now says he's a women called Lian.
  2. Schools are ALREADY teaching kids (inc primary age) that anyone can change now their gender. This means if your DD likes doing boys stuff or your DS likes doing girls stuff they will start to think they might be trans. This is reinforcing gender stereotypes and confusing kids.
  3. The CPS and Ministry of Justice has ALREADY advised schools that if girls feel uncomfortable undressing in front of a boy that IDs as a girl and complains then this is a section 4a public order offence and is a HATE CRIME.
  4. Girl guides has ALREADY said that they will let boys that ID as girls to sleep in girl-only tents etc and they will NOT tell the parents even if they ask.
  5. On crimewatch yesterday there was an appeal to find a men who had raped multiple women. However they called him a woman who might also dress as a man. I'm sorry but if you have a penis and have raped a women then you are a man. Saying otherwise confuses people and means this man is less likely to be found.

I could go on, and if anyone doubts what I've said is true I will happily supply evidence to back it all up.

BevGoldbergsSister · 09/03/2017 00:19

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Duck90 · 09/03/2017 00:20

What are your views on men being able to self identify their way into rape crisis centres or DV shelters where there will be vulnerable women?

I would assume that women who have/are in DV will continue to be a protected group and exempt from changes.

BevGoldbergsSister · 09/03/2017 00:22

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rumblingDMexploitingbstds · 09/03/2017 00:23

It's lovely for you that you have no issues around privacy and dignity and would skip happily through unisex changing facilities Duck . Yippee for you.

What would you like those of us who arent comfortable about it to do?