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AIBU with my Lodger?

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Nic8880 · 06/03/2017 21:34

Evening,

I bought a house in September and decided getting a lodger for around 1 year in could be a good idea to help me save for some home improvements. A friend from work stated her friend was looking for somewhere to live, so literally not long after I moved in, she followed.

We are both single and 30. We work full time normal hours. At first, we got on extremely well; I couldn't believe my luck. We began socialising after work sometimes too. She is very neat and tidy.

Sadly, things went downhill quickly and, naively, she paid me no deposit and I didn't set many ground rules to start with which probably hasn't helped.

A few months ago I couldn't help but notice she had COVERED her walls with paintings and pictures one weekend! I was really upset and told her to ask me to ask permission before putting things up in future. I started noticing little comments such as her "contemplating" painting the kitchen..! To which I said no. She has replaced one or two things in the house which really she should have told me and asked me to do, such as light bulbs and light fixtures all around the house. she has also assembled furniture I've bought for the house before I've had the chance. To some it may seem crazy I'm complaining but I feel she is treading on my toes.

More recently, she has been having 3-4 family members at a time to stay for weekends without asking me first. When I come home from work most evenings, she is already home and running between cooking her dinner and watching her favourite tv programmes and films. she never asks me what I want to watch or if I mind, and so most nights I find myself going up to my room to watch things on my iPad. She has made comments about her going away for an upcoming weekend and about how relieved I must be to be able to "watch what I want" all weekend!? This would be a strange comment (although a lot less stranger) even if I, as her landlady, had made that comment to her.

She has also opened a lot of mail addressed to "the occupier" or "homeowner" when she has come in from work, and she always parks on my drive, leaving me to park on the road.

I could go on, and on, and on. She refers to my house as "ours" and even in front of mutual friends I've heard her call the house hers (as in "mine")!!! She, unsurprisingly, has not lived with a live in landlady before. She seems very deluded and is almost in the mindset she owns the house? Having said that, even as the home owner id never dream of binge watching things on tv, seemingly oblivious to her needs and wants.

This whole issue is causing a lot of tension. I'm enjoying the money and feel kind of pressured into keeping her since we now have a lot of mutual friends (one of whom is my work colleague), however when I tell her/ask her not to do something, she absolutely cannot take it and either goes off in a strop or ignores me. I asked if she could stop wearing her muddy boots in the house last week and she never responded to my request and went and shut herself in her room all night. I also once asked if she wouldn't mind asking before putting the heating on (it's on a timer but she puts it on "on" if she gets cold), as she just pays me a set amount of rent each month whilst I pay the bills, and she just said "yep" and again took herself off to her room.

As her responses to me are quite dramatic, mumsnet - am I being unreasonable here? Any pearls of wisdom?

OP posts:
FreeNiki · 08/03/2017 01:34

She's never lived with a landlady clearly.

She does live there and pays to do so. If she wasnt living with the landlady and sharing with another tenant, she wouldn't need to ask them if she could put the heating on or to watch TV but even then negotiation would be needed over hogging the tv.

I would get the mail in your name withheld for a start. If it isn't too much hassle to collect it.

Telling you you'd be lucky to watch TV by yourself on your own home? Dont know where to start with that.

ElvishArchdruid · 08/03/2017 17:05

I feel sorry for the lodger as she's obviously moved in thinking it'll be a houseshare situation. Something she may have experienced previously so I'm guessing she's thinking, ok I pay towards the bills I'm cold I'll put the heating on.

I know from friends that the heating can be a big issue in a house you're sharing with a loved one. They're freezing but the other party isn't. So they're almost tip toeing in the day to get the house to a reasonable temp. Hoping the other person doesn't realise.

Same with stuff on the wall, it's her room, she wants it to feel homely so has decorated it. Hopefully not using blue tack as that's a nightmare. With being in the living room, of for a long period OP has had her dinner & gone to her room, if I was the housemate, I'd assume she wanted privacy, otherwise I'd expect a jokey can I watch this on TV. Then it's established that they share the area. The housemate isn't a mind reader, plus I don't think things like parking on the drive and making dinner would occur to anyone. I would go as far to say it's easier to cook for 2 instead of 1, why isn't dinner a shared time?

What I get from the OP's post is she has little in common with the woman. Some women will have the alpha female thing going on, I've had friends like that which I've struggled to assert myself with, as they're so over powering. So making up furniture could be that or could simply be the housemate trying to help.

It's a lesson worth taking in as just because it's your sister, doesn't mean that unless you set boundaries, she'll do her own thing.

Is it boomerang posts where you get one person pretending to be someone else, to see what consensus is? Then they either go into hibernation or come out as being the other person.

It looks like a lot of detail to have remembered, about stuff that you find irritating.

So moral of the story, set ground rules.

SofiaAmes · 08/03/2017 17:17

I have rented out rooms for decades and learned a lot in the process. You MUST set out ground rules in writing. I have had rules such as:
Living Room TV is for the kids, you must get your own if you want to watch.
I have priority in the kitchen from 6-8pm.
No overnight guests.
No perfume (I am asthmatic and it sets me off.)

You have to figure out where your boundaries are and set them. It will be easier for both parties. And if someone doesn't like your rules, then they are not the lodger for you. Expect to learn something new about your own boundaries from each renter.
I was also very careful to pick a certain type of lodger. I live in Los Angeles and pick people who are in town for a finite period of time (usually working on a movie or tv show) which means they don't get too comfortable in my home. When I lived in London, it was tourists, journalists or someone moving to town who needed a place to live until they found a permanent spot. I rarely rent to lawyers or students. I have rented to priests and famous actors and traveling nurses and artists and all sorts of interesting people.

You must always take a deposit and I charged by the week and always gave a receipt for the rent.

In all my years of renting I have only had to kick out one person. I have remained good friends with many of my lodgers.

SpartaCarcass · 11/03/2017 21:03

OP (Nic) Are you going to talk to her about this then?

CircleofWillis · 21/05/2017 16:28

What happened with your tenant OP?

changingmylifecompletely28489 · 21/05/2017 16:51

Curious too! She'll never reply, will she?

Jaxhog · 21/05/2017 16:56

Have a chat with her NOW, and let her know (nicely) what you aren't happy with. Give her some simple, but clear, written ground rules. If she doesn't like it, then give her 1 month's notice.

Learn for next time (if there is one).

EezerGoode · 21/05/2017 17:12

She sounds unhinged.get rid

JamieXeed74 · 21/05/2017 17:13

Sounds like a house share. And that means they both have a right to all parts of the house, including the drive. You cant just give her a one months notice to leave. Go see a lawyer she has as much right to live there as you do.

Fluffypinkpyjamas · 21/05/2017 17:15

She sounds vile. If you have no contract, I would give her notice to leave now. Change the locks anyway so she can't get in and get her to collect her stuff. You are being treated like dirt in your own home!

Trifleorbust · 21/05/2017 17:20

If you don't like her behaviour, tell her. Personally I wouldn't live somewhere where it was frowned on for me to change a bulb or put the heating on. Some of the things you mention are weird, however.

JamieXeed74 · 21/05/2017 17:21

You cant just lock someone out of the house where they live even if you think they are vile. They would have a right to call the police on you.

charlestonchaplin · 21/05/2017 17:34

I'm not sure whether you're joking Jamie. Lodgers have very few rights unless they have signed a written agreement which gives them rights (or can otherwise prove that the homeowner has agreed to give them certain rights).

BerylStreep · 21/05/2017 17:41

I think this may have run its course, and you should maybe find someone new, and set new ground rules.

Firstly, I think bills should be split evenly, although equally I think that it sounds a bit controlling to ask her to ask you before putting the heating on.

House rules about no shoes inside are fairly common, but I think you need to have had that conversation from the outset.

When I was renting a room, I would never had had an expectation to have people staying over.

One thing, I remember from my time renting, was that once when I was staying away, my landlady allowed her friend to stay overnight in my room. Her attitude was 'it's my house, I don't see the problem, you weren't there.' I felt very much that I was paying for the room, and was entitled for her not to let other people stay when I wasn't there. I suppose what I am trying to say is that there needs to be a bit of give and take. Yes, it's your house, but you also need to be prepared to give up some autonomy. That said, she does seem to be taking the piss somewhat.

I also think socialising with your lodger is a bad idea.

DrinkFeckArseGirls · 21/05/2017 17:41

What are you ralking about, Jamie? OP ownes the place.

I'd give her the notice now, it'll take you to the end if the June.

Goingtobeawesome · 21/05/2017 17:46

We found to our cost that post addressed to the home owner isn't always just junk

Fluffypinkpyjamas · 21/05/2017 17:50

Jamie are you in fact the actual nightmare lodger? Grin

scootinFun · 21/05/2017 17:52

How is it going Op?

Kittencatkins123 · 21/05/2017 17:53

I would get her out. I live with someone who seems to think the flat is his - we both rent. That's annoying enough but you actually DO own the place. Just give her notice and explain your sister is moving in.

RebootYourEngine · 21/05/2017 17:53

There is no point in giving the OP on her first post because it was months ago and i am sure things have changef

BerylStreep · 21/05/2017 18:07

Oh, have just realised this thread was started back in March. I wonder what happened. Did the OP give her lodger notice?

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