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AIBU with my Lodger?

146 replies

Nic8880 · 06/03/2017 21:34

Evening,

I bought a house in September and decided getting a lodger for around 1 year in could be a good idea to help me save for some home improvements. A friend from work stated her friend was looking for somewhere to live, so literally not long after I moved in, she followed.

We are both single and 30. We work full time normal hours. At first, we got on extremely well; I couldn't believe my luck. We began socialising after work sometimes too. She is very neat and tidy.

Sadly, things went downhill quickly and, naively, she paid me no deposit and I didn't set many ground rules to start with which probably hasn't helped.

A few months ago I couldn't help but notice she had COVERED her walls with paintings and pictures one weekend! I was really upset and told her to ask me to ask permission before putting things up in future. I started noticing little comments such as her "contemplating" painting the kitchen..! To which I said no. She has replaced one or two things in the house which really she should have told me and asked me to do, such as light bulbs and light fixtures all around the house. she has also assembled furniture I've bought for the house before I've had the chance. To some it may seem crazy I'm complaining but I feel she is treading on my toes.

More recently, she has been having 3-4 family members at a time to stay for weekends without asking me first. When I come home from work most evenings, she is already home and running between cooking her dinner and watching her favourite tv programmes and films. she never asks me what I want to watch or if I mind, and so most nights I find myself going up to my room to watch things on my iPad. She has made comments about her going away for an upcoming weekend and about how relieved I must be to be able to "watch what I want" all weekend!? This would be a strange comment (although a lot less stranger) even if I, as her landlady, had made that comment to her.

She has also opened a lot of mail addressed to "the occupier" or "homeowner" when she has come in from work, and she always parks on my drive, leaving me to park on the road.

I could go on, and on, and on. She refers to my house as "ours" and even in front of mutual friends I've heard her call the house hers (as in "mine")!!! She, unsurprisingly, has not lived with a live in landlady before. She seems very deluded and is almost in the mindset she owns the house? Having said that, even as the home owner id never dream of binge watching things on tv, seemingly oblivious to her needs and wants.

This whole issue is causing a lot of tension. I'm enjoying the money and feel kind of pressured into keeping her since we now have a lot of mutual friends (one of whom is my work colleague), however when I tell her/ask her not to do something, she absolutely cannot take it and either goes off in a strop or ignores me. I asked if she could stop wearing her muddy boots in the house last week and she never responded to my request and went and shut herself in her room all night. I also once asked if she wouldn't mind asking before putting the heating on (it's on a timer but she puts it on "on" if she gets cold), as she just pays me a set amount of rent each month whilst I pay the bills, and she just said "yep" and again took herself off to her room.

As her responses to me are quite dramatic, mumsnet - am I being unreasonable here? Any pearls of wisdom?

OP posts:
Justwantcookies · 07/03/2017 14:57

YOu do sound a bit unreasonable actually. I dont see the problem with her putting pictures up - its currently her 'home' she isnt going to want it to feel like a hotel room is she. Not sure why you have a problem with her changing light bulbs. When you say light fittings? can you elaborate.

Perhaps because you got on so well and were socialising to begin with she felt relaxed in your house and as she is a lodger and free to use communal areas she didnt see the problem putting the tele on. I think you should have told her if you wanted to watch something as surely if you are both watching you should choose something you both want to watch?

I think referring to it as her house is normal as thats where she lives. I rent a house but I refer to it as my house because its my home. I dont actually own it though.

House guests a bit much, you need to tell her the rules there. Has is happened before where you didnt mind?

MrsPeelyWaly · 07/03/2017 15:05

Anyone else feeling a bit sorry for the lodger

No, I dont feel sorry for her at all.

MamaHanji · 07/03/2017 15:06

A couple of things I thought 'big deal' and the. The rest of it, it seems like she thinks it's a houseshare instead of renting a room in YOUR house. I would ask her to leave as it is your home and you shouldn't have someone living there when you are uncomfortable with that.

goinglocomoto · 07/03/2017 20:03

To add, I feel sorry for all these lodgers. I know in SpareRoom London most landlords charge the normal going rate for flatshares in that area (I.e no reduced rent) and without pre-agreed house rules, so it's natural to feel like you're living in a normal houseshare. You're paying a massive chunk of their mortgage so I genuinely think people can be forgiven for treating it like their own home.

When I met my dp he was 'lodging', but it marketed as 'Houseshare with live in landlords'. (Note 'houseshare'). As soon as I started staying one night a week they gave him his notice. It was really awkward as they hadn't specified before that this wasn't acceptable (if this slight intrusion was off limits they should have said in the first place). Btw he was paying £800 +bills for a room in south London!

goinglocomoto · 07/03/2017 20:16

Just to add (officially on a rant, sorry Grin). If you're not willing to make a lodger feel welcome in your home, or to accept the downsides that come with taking an extra £400-1000 a month basically free money, then you shouldn't have got a property that was beyond your means.

I don't mean that horribly (I know I could never get a lodger, even if I managed to get on the housing ladder). But I think it's rude to take considerable rent from someone and then feel pissed off that they dared to say 'I'm going back to my house' rather than 'I'm going back to Nic8880's house'. Which is frankly, ridiculous.

Cuppaoftea · 07/03/2017 20:42

goinglocomoto Where do you get the idea the Op has bought a house beyond her means? She stated she thought getting a lodger for 1 year would be a good idea to help her save for some home improvements, not that she needed the rent to pay her mortgage.

Sounds like the Op herself has been a lodger for a number of years to put her in the position of affording her own home now and is reasonable in the boundaries she expects to be respected.

The lodger's passive aggressive responses to the Op voicing those rules and boundaries suggests to me she knows exactly what she is doing and is being purposefully exploitative. Musing about what colour to paint the kitchen in what is the Ops house is just plain weird. This is a lot more than saying 'back to mine' meaning 'where I currently rent'.

Deadsouls · 07/03/2017 20:56

No I don't think the OP is being unreasonable at all. OP has agreed that a mistake was made when lodger first moved in with regards not making a contract etc.
Re: putting pictures up. I've rented out rooms for years and don't like posters/photos stuck to wall with blu tak etc, but if it's hung properly then I wouldn't mind that.
Opening the OP's post is clearly stepping over boundaries. Yes there are compromises to be made but the fact is, it is not a houseshare. It is a situation whereby the OP is the live in landlady. If the lodger doesn't like it she can move to a houseshare.

TheOnlyLivingToyInNewYork · 07/03/2017 21:06

Some people seem to think a lodger is doing you a favour and handing you free money. You get that its for a room, and heat and light and water etc, yes? It's not for nothing?
And just because you pay to lodge, you don't have endless heating and banf holes in the walls for your pictures and hog the tv and the drive and use it as a hotel for your rellies.......

ChickenVindaloo2 · 07/03/2017 21:08
LucklessMonster · 07/03/2017 21:08

Anyone else feeling a bit sorry for the lodger?

Yep. OP sounds like very, very hard work.

TheOnlyLivingToyInNewYork · 07/03/2017 21:12

Only hard work if you're a piss taking lodger.

Deadsouls · 07/03/2017 21:13

Not okay for lodger to invite family members to stay without checking first whether it's okay. That's just normal behaviour, even if in a houseshare.

Dormouse200 · 07/03/2017 21:32

I'm sorry but changing fixtures and fittings is NOT normal, bulbs fine but nothing else surely?

ChickenVindaloo2 · 07/03/2017 21:32

I was a lodger for 6 months in Stevenage (don't ask!)

I had the use of the kitchen and living room but always deferred to the owner esp if she had family/friends round.

It would never have occurred to me in a million years to park my car on her drive! Or make holes in her walls without asking!

It wasn't a flatshare, I was definitely a lodger. Eg I only had 1 cupboard in the kitchen.

But I was myself a homeowner (in Scotland) so I realised that my £300/m all inclusive was only covering a fraction of the owner's monthly costs.

She was actually v generous - I ate with her and her family at least once a week and she let me store boxes of stuff in her loft. But she knew I respected it as HER house.

I think it's easier to be a lodger in just a rented room if it's just Mon-Fri or 7 days a week but for a short period.

OP, your lodger strikes me like someone who has no concept of the cost/responsibility of home ownership. And to be fair, you sound like me, someone who is better suited to living alone!

LilywhiteLil · 07/03/2017 21:40

Just a thought (and unsure if it's already been mentioned) but is there any chance that your mutual friend may have said 'Nic8880 is looking for a housemate' as opposed to 'Nic8880 is looking for a lodger'? As there's no formal agreement or deposit in place there's a strong chance that she's completely oblivious to the living arrangement you had originally desired. It's really nothing a friendly chat can't fix unless she's really as stroppy as you say. Good luck, OP, these sort of situations are never nice.

BonnyScotland · 07/03/2017 21:50

get rid.... the end x

goinglocomoto · 07/03/2017 21:54

Lilywhite, excellent point/question!

TheOnlyLivingToyInNewYork · 07/03/2017 21:58

She'd have to be spectacularly obtuse not to realise that the OP owns the house, wouldn't she?

IonaNE · 07/03/2017 21:59

Anyone else feeling a bit sorry for the lodger
No, not a bit. The OP is not being unreasonable at all.

She's going to be forced to sit in the cold and dark
Dark? Why? Did the OP suggest the lodger can't put on the light in her room?

with no TV
The lodger can get a tv for her room.

and a rumbling stomach
I don't think the OP suggested the lodger can't eat anything without the OP's presence and supervision.

To those who said the lodger is paying for use of the communal areas: do you realise that there are houseshares with no "communal areas", i.e. living rooms and tvs at all? Yes, every room is a bedroom. And yes, you are meant to spend your time in your room, apart from when you prepare your food (and then take it to your room and eat it). If you don't want this, you don't become a lodger, you rent an apartment.

Also, what about being a lodger in a family home? Grandma, two parents, 3 children? Would the lodger sit with them in the living room watching telly and join their family meal?! Being a lodger means you have a room in someone else's house; and the use of the kitchen and bathroom. You don't have the run of the whole house.

OP, get rid of this lodger and find one without delusional ideas about your house.

goinglocomoto · 07/03/2017 22:07

That's all very well Ionna, if the landlord specifies these rules in the beginning. Call me naive and entitled, but I wouldn't have assumed that being a lodger entailed these restrictions unless they were spelled out to me, which they weren't in any shape or form to OP's lodger. And if OP's lodger hadn't, like me, been a lodger before, she (wrongly, but innocently) assumed that things were more relaxed.

ElvishArchdruid · 07/03/2017 22:09

You don't have a rabbit do you?

MikeUniformMike · 07/03/2017 22:28

OP, I think YANBU. You need to have a good chat with your lodger. You haven't had much of a chance to make it your home and now you have a Single White Cuckoo in it. You can scrimp a bit to tide yourself over.
Renting a room out is not getting money for nothing.
When she moves out, get the locks changed.

alltheworld · 07/03/2017 22:31

About to get a lodger...any suggestions for house rules to avoid situation like op?

Bluntness100 · 07/03/2017 22:40

Anyone else feeling a bit sorry for the lodger

farangatang · 08/03/2017 01:26

Sharing your home with anyone (even your family, sometimes) can be full of daily irritations that build up into a blowout unless you deal with them.
It is hard to live in someone else's home and have all the -petty- restrictions, but I get that they are there to keep order and make sure everyone does their fair share. In fairness, I don't think OPs expectations are petty or unreasonable.
and it is ALWAYS the homeowner's right to set the rules that will make them happiest. Sadly, OP is learning from her mistake not to really do this in the first place and it seems best that, if her sister is wanting to move in soon anyway, she gives notice to the current lodger (who will hopefully pay attention and actually move out!) and writes it off to experience.
Still shouldn't stop trying to make some improvements in the meantime - like a PP's suggestion of having some sort of sit down to chat and 'review' how both feel things are working out and this is a chance for OP to speak up about more equitably sharing the communal areas and reminding lodger about things she shouldn't be doing (the things that were actually requested in the first place).
Good luck OP!