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Tap Dancing around the Truth with Trump - 44 days in for POTUS 45.

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Dumdedumdedum · 06/03/2017 15:21

The Trump thread, continued from here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2867981-I-never-met-someone-from-NM-to-discuss-MN-Honest-Trump-thread-cont?watched=1&msgid=67412870#67412870

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cozietoesie · 08/03/2017 21:43

He's pretty old, Lweji. Wink

cozietoesie · 08/03/2017 21:44

Thanks, Cave.

TheClaws · 08/03/2017 22:53

www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/03/08/trumpism-is-now-getting-exposed-as-a-monumental-fraud/?tid=pm_pop&utm_term=.223d3a8f6d84

Washington Post opinion piece on the divide between Trump's initial rhetoric and Trump reality. A particularly telling quote:

'There is simply no way of pretending it comes anywhere near what Trump explicitly promised or vaguely signaled in ideological terms. This has left Trump spewing outright gibberish as he tries to sell the plan:

“It follows the guidelines I laid out in my congressional address — a plan that will lower costs, expand choices, increase competition, and ensure healthcare access for all Americans.

“This will be a plan where you can choose your doctor. This will be a plan where you can choose your plan. And you know what the plan is — this is the plan. And we’re going to have a tremendous — I think we’re going to have a tremendous success. It’s a complicated process, but actually it’s very simple. It’s called good healthcare.”'

cozietoesie · 08/03/2017 22:58

He's completely at sea, isn't he? Just squawking for the sound of it.

cozietoesie · 08/03/2017 23:00

I see the Dow is reversing its trend. There will have been some profit taking, no doubt.

amispartacus · 08/03/2017 23:04

That's the danger of linking yourself too strongly to figures like the Dow. If they go up and you say it's because of you, you can't blame someone else if it goes down. Well, you can if you're Trump

Tap Dancing around the Truth with Trump - 44 days in for POTUS 45.
cozietoesie · 08/03/2017 23:37

How many bankruptcies did 45 have when he was 'running' businesses? I'm afraid I've forgotten.

SanFranBear · 08/03/2017 23:41

Claws - that paragraph explaining the plan... WTF was that?

I'm still outraged and bubbling with anger and disbelief as well.. my 'Love Trumps Hate' rainbow badge arrived today which made me happy and has pride of place on my left bosom Grin

cozietoesie · 08/03/2017 23:43

It was the squawking of gibberish, San.

TheClaws · 08/03/2017 23:56

It was Trump's version of, "This is a Great Plan of Great Stuff. It's great. Did I mention it's great? It was terrible before. It will be great soon. Don't worry about it. The plan of Stuff? Great Stuff works like my brain...it's like a washing machine! Built by Americans! Make America Great Again!"

Justasec · 09/03/2017 00:08

Thought I'd posted earlier but doesn't seem to have worked, but delurking to recommend taking a look at David Cay Johnson ("making of trump" and you tube videos), excellent study of Trump over the last 30ish years, dodgy business dealings etc. Not managed to read the book yet as need to wrestle it from my DH but love his interviews.

cozietoesie · 09/03/2017 00:12

You actually understood his interviews? Shock

cozietoesie · 09/03/2017 00:13

Sorry. I meant the T side of them.

TheClaws · 09/03/2017 00:26

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Great news. We are only just beginning. Together, we are going to #MAGA! instagram.com/p/BRZROKmg-st/

twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/839625347524096000

This links through to an instagram video. He's looking very presidenty/smarmy in the accompanying image grab. I'd love to punch it and/or use it for 'pin the tail on the donkey'.

originalbiglymavis · 09/03/2017 06:31

MAGA? Oh dear.

GingerIvy · 09/03/2017 06:32

Ah the people on that saying "health care isn't a right" is just depressing. It's all "get a job if you want healthcare." So wrong.

CaveMum · 09/03/2017 06:48

Yesterday's Press Briefing is up.

www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/03/08/press-briefing-press-secretary-sean-spicer

Also every one should check out The Daily Show's Twitter feed - too many good tweets/videos to link to!

BiglyBadgers · 09/03/2017 07:08

Morning all! Just took a look at the Daily Show Twitter feed and developed a sudden and acute crush on Trevor Noah. Gosh Blush

GingerIvy · 09/03/2017 07:14

Ok UK people. What is the significance of the return of the 11 plus? American here in UK, home ed, so 11 plus is new to me. Media calling it May's Trump moment.

dlvr.it/NZg3pR

BiglyBadgers · 09/03/2017 07:18

Donald Trump travel ban: Hawaii becomes first US state to take President's new executive order to court
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-travel-ban-sue-blocked-hawaii-first-us-state-to-stop-president-new-executive-order-a7619736.html

BiglyBadgers · 09/03/2017 07:24

ginger the 11+ was the test used to determine whether a child was given a place at a grammer school. Grammer schools are selective and allowed to accept children based on ability. Those that did not pass the 11+ would have to go to the local comprehensive.

The grammer schools would get more funding, better teachers and provide a higher standard of academic education. Many believe that this left those in comprehensive schools having a lower standard education and therefore increased social divide, particularly as richer, more educated parents can coach and provide extra tuition fro those kids to get them through the 11+.

May has a pet project of bringing back grammer schools and the reintroduction of the 11+ is a huge part of that.

GingerIvy · 09/03/2017 07:31

Ah, so more like it's her Betsy DeVos moment. Excellent schools for the wealthy and fuck the poor.

merrymouse · 09/03/2017 07:39

What is the significance of the return of the 11 plus?

When May was at school all state schools were secondary modern, technical or grammar. You took an exam at 11 to decide which route you would take, grammar being the academic route.

Predictably most children going to grammar school already came from advantaged backgrounds. Today those families would be moving into the catchment area of good schools/going to church/paying for private education. Theresa May, being from a church family, might be given a special bursary to attend a private school. There are still a few grammar schools and they are dominated by middle class families and many children are tutored for years to pass the exam.

In their defence, a few children from poor backgrounds do and did achieve more because they were able to attend a grammar school. However, children attending secondary moderns do and did get a far worse education that they would if they went to a school that accepted all abilities.

Back in the fifties and sixties this probably didn't matter. There were plenty of jobs for people who hadn't done well at school and they needed to be filled. Britain even encouraged immigration from the former empire to fill the jobs.

However, the evidence shows that the grammar system has never been able to effectively provide the population as a whole with a better standard of education than the current more common 'comprehensive' mixed ability system. In fact, it reduces social mobility and in general people do worse under a grammar system.

However, some people nostalgically love grammar schools and would like to see them return in the face of all the evidence. It's Trumpidt because it's a populist policy that has no foundation in fact.

CaveMum · 09/03/2017 07:50

Get in line Bigly, I've held a torch for Trevor Noah since I saw him on QI a few years ago. He was on with Sandy Toksvig and when he sang in Xhosa she told him she'd turn for him Grin