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To think DH should stop seeing this female "friend"

516 replies

springycurls · 04/03/2017 15:01

First time posting in AIBU, I really don't think I am but DH won't discuss it properly AT ALL

DH and I have been married for 6mo. I've known him 2 years. We're in our late 30s and met online. He was always open that he was looking for a serious relationship and our relationship is great. He can be a bit immature and there are things I'd like to change about him but overall I'm happy. He is in a very niche job working for the government that needs a lot of specific, high level qualifications (PhD as a minimum)- it can be very demanding and a lot of it he isn't allowed to talk about. (this is relevant!!)

He has this female "friend" who he met many years ago. She is in the same job but is 10 years younger and though he wasn't her manager he mentored her when she first started. They do seem to have a lot in common- DH has some quite strange interests that I think he's a bit old for TBH. They became friends and stayed in touch but there's always been something "off" about her. I've heard from friends who knew him before he met me that they used to go on "dates" e.g. for dinner or films even though she has a partner. That hasn't happened much recently. She's been with this partner a long time but they're not married so I'm dubious as to how serious she is about that.

Anyway I went through his FB messages and whatsapps and it seems like they message quite frequently- at least once every week. Sometimes she starts it, sometimes he does. Usually it's about some of these weird interests or sounding off about work- again the very specific stuff about their job that us "plebs" wouldn't understand - but I've noticed that she has a pet name for him that no one else uses and he uses a pet name for her. She sometimes ends her messages with xxx. They are due to be away for work in London in a couple of months. It's not required that they go as it's a seminar type thing, but I found a message from him asking if she was going and saying that he'd go if she does! She had replied saying thank god I'll have someone to sit next to, you're the only person I like out of all of them!!

She has in the past tagged him on facebook and it's always a bit inappropriate- like they both went to this comic book expo thing and she photographed him there with some models.

I have met her a few times and always felt she was actually a bit rude/cheeky to my DH- especially from someone so much younger who is in the same job and should be looking up to him. He says she's not rude it's just "we think the same way". I think she's a bit snooty as she seems to presume me and DH will have the same interests. We had her round for dinner once and it was awful! She's known DH's cat since it was a kitten so it loves her (cat hates me, I hate cats) and she made a bloody great fuss of it. She then wanted to talk politics which was a bit controversial as DH and I don't agree and she openly said she was shocked by that and not agreeing would be a "deal breaker" for her and her partner!
He wanted to invite her to our wedding but I said no. She sent us a card and a small gift anyway which I thought was quite passive aggressive!

I have tried to get him to talk about her but he just tells me to leave it and that there's nothing going on. I can't put my finger on it but it just doesn't seem right for him to have this sort of relationship. All his other female friends are our age, married and he's friendly with the husbands too. I've tried looking her up on facebook but her privacy settings are very strong so I can't even message her directly telling her to back off. I could get her number off DH phone but that seems a bit OTT

How can I get my DH to see this is a bit weird, and am I being unreasonable to think he should reduce his contact with her and keep it just professional? She's a young girl surely she should be making friends with people her own age anyway!

OP posts:
user1487064897 · 06/03/2017 14:48

One of my best friends is male, straight and quite good looking really. He is one of my closest friends and will be for the rest of my life. We go out regularly for meals, drinks or to the cinema and have even arranged to go on holiday to somewhere really tacky (can't decide between Benidorm or Magaluf).
A few years ago he was seeing a girl who was unhappy about our friendship from the beginning she said I was over familiar, it was weird that I'd want to spend time with someone younger than me. it got to the point that every time we'd arranged to do something it would cause a huge argument and a flurry of passive aggressive texts.
In the end my mate just got sick of her kicking off and dumped her, I said nothing to him of course but laughed like a Kung-Fu movie villain about it to myself afterwards.

BBCNewsRave · 06/03/2017 14:56

You're lucky user; in the same situation myself I got dumped as the friend. She utterly controls him now. That's the rest of his life. Sad

alphabook · 06/03/2017 15:08

Personally I seriously don't get the "if you go then I will definitely go", i.e. be away from his wife for 3 days so that he can meet with her in a seminar that otherwise he didn't consider it important enough to attend!

You really don't get that going to a work seminar for 3 days is far more enjoyable with a friend, than going when you don't know anyone else, or where the only people you know are acquaintances? I don't think I'd fancy going to a work event for 3 days if there wasn't anyone going that I would have a laugh with.

Willow2017 · 06/03/2017 15:18

Cheese
I would be over the moon if I was faced with going to a seminar/training night where I didnt know people and someone I knew said they were going too. There is nothing worse than being the odd one out in work situations, training days etc.

Doesnt mean I am going to end up in bed with them though, give the guy some credit. He has known her 10 years, if it was going to happen it would have happened before op came on the scene.

She did make the effort to get to know her, she came to dinner and op spent the whole time looking daggers at her by the sounds of it and not making any effort at all as she was so horrified a woman could go out on her own without her oh chaperoning her!

raspberrysuicide · 06/03/2017 16:13

Are you married to Sheldon?

RebelRogue · 06/03/2017 16:26

I put x at the end of most of my messages. To my shame i kinda use it as punctuation.
I also have a nickname and most of my friends call me by my nickname rather than name,including OH. I also have nicknames for my friends. I used to call a male friend,a lot older than me "kiddow". We also met up and went for coffees or to visit a museum. We'd talk a lot about everything and anything and we shared a common interest in writing. OH knew all about it,as did his GF. I never jumped his bones or even wanted to. He was a friend and we clicked. His sex made no difference.

kali110 · 06/03/2017 16:45

alphabook yes, i'm so confused by this thread! I've had to go on little things for work and if my MALE (shocker Shock) friend/colleague hadn't have been going it would have been horrendous!

SailAwayWithMeHoney · 06/03/2017 17:03

BBCNewsRave It's awful watching someone be controlled by their partner like that.
I've been both the controlled partner and the jilted friend... it's not nice. Poor bloke.

BringMeTheFreak · 06/03/2017 18:01

"OP I can understand why you're hassled by this friendship, your husband sounds like he's captivated by her and enjoying having his ego massaged by a 28 year old, very smart, attractive colleague who makes him feel special and vice versa, suspect she enjoys the attention"

WTF? Have I missed a post from the OP because I'm not sure where that has come from?

flowergrrl77 · 06/03/2017 18:18

yeeahhh

I could have written this post.... the girl being nearer in years to our eldest child than my DH.

There WAS an affair. :< after 2 years and counselling we eventually made it through.... he does not talk to her at all anymore.

Bluntness100 · 06/03/2017 18:25

I think the problems in your relationship probably boil down to you not liking cats.

alphabook · 06/03/2017 18:39

Is 10 years really that big an age gap for a friendship? As a 29 year old I resent the idea that I'm some sort of bimbo/little girl who could never be genuinely interesting/amusing to someone older than me!

I also can't see how chatting about work, mutual hobbies and cats is an ego massage. There doesn't seem to be any indication that there's anything flirty/sexual/romantic in the messages.

Funnily enough DH was working from home today and was chatting to a female work friend (who is older than him) over email. I don't think it would have occurred to me to be bothered by it in the slightest of it wasn't for this thread!

smallchanceofrain · 06/03/2017 19:03

Wow this thread has been good! Thanks OP. I do feel a bit sorry for you because you can't help how you feel and you have acknowledged your insecurities. That said, I'm struggling to understand why you married your DH. It sounds like you think you married a work in progress. Perhaps you should have waited a bit to see if you could change him into the man you really want, rather than crossing your fingers that he would morph into this after you married him!

I'm quite old (50+) and have male friends who I have had close friendships with since uni, so 30+ years, and through work. They are friends. I have never felt the urge to shag any of them and if they felt that way about me they've never let on. We have shared experiences, interests and history. If the current Mr smallchance contacted them and told them to back off I would be both mortified and looking for a divorce lawyer!

Unless you have evidence of infidelity you need to look at building common interests and open communication with your DH; not issuing ultimatums about who he can be friends with or checking his phone without his knowledge.

GirlElephant · 06/03/2017 20:32

OP must be busy......

RebelRogue · 06/03/2017 20:40

OP must be busy......

Hacking the friend's fb so she can message and tell her to back off..

duxb · 06/03/2017 20:51

My best friend is a bloke. He is like my brother and I have more in common with him than my husband. I have absolutely no romantic interest in him at all but we put kisses on our messages and tell each other we love each other.

There's nothing going on and my husband has taken but upon himself to get to him and he is so important to me. That was a decade ago and they are now also brilliant friends.

The way to deal with it is to be open and welcoming of a genuine friendship. Not sneaky and check his messages.

I also don't see how her sending a gift for you wedding was anything other than thoughtful.

If you feel inferior in some way, or uncomfortable then discuss it with your partner and see A way you can attempt to alleviate those feelings in a rational way. You asking him to be longer be friendly with her will just build resentment.

cheeseandpineapple · 06/03/2017 21:28

Willow, I have a male friend at work and we have pet names for each other, very tongue in cheek, which we developed on an off site we attended. We get on very well and would be very open about saying that something will be more palatable if the other is attending but that's about something we have to attend. If it was optional and not required I wouldn't choose to attend it to spend 3 days with my colleague particularly when I know the friendship is a sore subject with my spouse.

I don't think OP's husband and the friend will jump into bed together. I don't think OP necessarily thinks that either. I think she resents the priority her husband gives the friendship. She's been a bit clumsy in how she's articulated herself but whether she's being reasonable or unreasonable OP has an issue and is feeling insecure. She wants to discuss this with her husband. He's refusing to discuss the subject and is shutting her down. That's unreasonable.

RebelRogue · 06/03/2017 21:37

Cheese it depends what she means by "he won't discuss this properly at all". If she mentioned all the things on here and he's not willing to listen to some of the ridiculous things that she said anymore fair enough. If she just says she feels a bit insecure and that she feels they're losing out as a couple because he's dedicating too much attention to the friend,then yeah he's a dick.
Also this is a discussion that should've been had before the marriage in my eyes,rather than OP resenting his hobbies,his cat and his friend and expecting him to forget all about them the second he had a ring on. It's not like she went into this blind,or it's a new friendship/hobbies.

alphabook · 06/03/2017 22:07

Also it doesn't seem like he does prioritise the friendship over the marriage - they message once a week or so and it doesn't seem like they talk about anything particularly intimate. I can't see how that's an inappropriately intense friendship that impacts on his marriage.

Willow2017 · 06/03/2017 22:07

Cheese:

What Rebel said, just finished writing much the same but dont have to post it now [SMILE]

If she doesnt trust her husband after he reasured her there is nothing going on then she has bigger problems than his friend being a woman.

RubbishMantra · 06/03/2017 22:17

"I think the problems in your relationship probably boil down to you not liking cats."

A well known psychologist actually wrote a paper on this very subject! Grin

Is it just me, or is anyone else wondering if OP's DH and his friend are actually spies, and these "conferences" are actually missions, necessary to our national security?

Owlzes · 06/03/2017 22:20

RubbishMantra - I am sure this is the case! I reckon the OP's DH is a dead ringer for Matthew McFayden/Tom Quinn in which case I could understand her not wanting to let him out of her sight

moyesp · 07/03/2017 07:51

Three questions:-

  1. Does he defend her side more than yours.
  2. Does he ever criticises her in your presence. E.g. If you say you don't like her dress does he says she looks ok?
  3. And Most important does she make you feel like a third wheel when you are all together in the same room.

If its yes to these then you have a right to be worried.

Speak to her privately. Or if you are not confident speak to both of them together in front of her partner.

I didn't and my bf had an affair with my DH. And she was the one who introduced us

nomislotsirb · 07/03/2017 08:25

"things I'd like to change about him but overall I'm happy"

WTF

LadyPW · 07/03/2017 08:33

2. Does he ever criticises her in your presence. E.g. If you say you don't like her dress does he says she looks ok?
He's not allowed his own opinion? And he can't defend a long-standing friend when his GF is making bitchy comments? Hmm