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To think DH should stop seeing this female "friend"

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springycurls · 04/03/2017 15:01

First time posting in AIBU, I really don't think I am but DH won't discuss it properly AT ALL

DH and I have been married for 6mo. I've known him 2 years. We're in our late 30s and met online. He was always open that he was looking for a serious relationship and our relationship is great. He can be a bit immature and there are things I'd like to change about him but overall I'm happy. He is in a very niche job working for the government that needs a lot of specific, high level qualifications (PhD as a minimum)- it can be very demanding and a lot of it he isn't allowed to talk about. (this is relevant!!)

He has this female "friend" who he met many years ago. She is in the same job but is 10 years younger and though he wasn't her manager he mentored her when she first started. They do seem to have a lot in common- DH has some quite strange interests that I think he's a bit old for TBH. They became friends and stayed in touch but there's always been something "off" about her. I've heard from friends who knew him before he met me that they used to go on "dates" e.g. for dinner or films even though she has a partner. That hasn't happened much recently. She's been with this partner a long time but they're not married so I'm dubious as to how serious she is about that.

Anyway I went through his FB messages and whatsapps and it seems like they message quite frequently- at least once every week. Sometimes she starts it, sometimes he does. Usually it's about some of these weird interests or sounding off about work- again the very specific stuff about their job that us "plebs" wouldn't understand - but I've noticed that she has a pet name for him that no one else uses and he uses a pet name for her. She sometimes ends her messages with xxx. They are due to be away for work in London in a couple of months. It's not required that they go as it's a seminar type thing, but I found a message from him asking if she was going and saying that he'd go if she does! She had replied saying thank god I'll have someone to sit next to, you're the only person I like out of all of them!!

She has in the past tagged him on facebook and it's always a bit inappropriate- like they both went to this comic book expo thing and she photographed him there with some models.

I have met her a few times and always felt she was actually a bit rude/cheeky to my DH- especially from someone so much younger who is in the same job and should be looking up to him. He says she's not rude it's just "we think the same way". I think she's a bit snooty as she seems to presume me and DH will have the same interests. We had her round for dinner once and it was awful! She's known DH's cat since it was a kitten so it loves her (cat hates me, I hate cats) and she made a bloody great fuss of it. She then wanted to talk politics which was a bit controversial as DH and I don't agree and she openly said she was shocked by that and not agreeing would be a "deal breaker" for her and her partner!
He wanted to invite her to our wedding but I said no. She sent us a card and a small gift anyway which I thought was quite passive aggressive!

I have tried to get him to talk about her but he just tells me to leave it and that there's nothing going on. I can't put my finger on it but it just doesn't seem right for him to have this sort of relationship. All his other female friends are our age, married and he's friendly with the husbands too. I've tried looking her up on facebook but her privacy settings are very strong so I can't even message her directly telling her to back off. I could get her number off DH phone but that seems a bit OTT

How can I get my DH to see this is a bit weird, and am I being unreasonable to think he should reduce his contact with her and keep it just professional? She's a young girl surely she should be making friends with people her own age anyway!

OP posts:
TabascoToastie · 05/03/2017 18:40

I did a Masters and I wish I hadn't, because all the PhD courses I later looked at did not require one and would essentially involve repeating my Masters as the first year of the PhD.

But then I am bisexual so have no friends, which allows plenty of time for studying.

hickorydickorynurseryrhyme · 05/03/2017 18:45

Corythatwas yes I suppose when you look at it like that

Gabilan · 05/03/2017 18:50

you're allowed to go into work, but only if you wear a full head latex mask to make sure no one sees you and communicate only through large hold up signs

Some people pay good money for that kind of thing.

HumpMeBogart · 05/03/2017 18:53

I am bisexual so have no friends, which allows plenty of time for studying.

GrinGrin

Pettywoman · 05/03/2017 18:57

I can't be doing with jealousy. If DH wants to go off with someone, who am I to stop him? I don't want him if he doesn't want me. As it is I trust him and he does me and we don't police each other's relationships.

OP surely if you've been together such a relatively short time and they've known each other ages then they'd have got together by now if they'd wanted to.

Abrahamkin · 05/03/2017 19:05

It is definitely possible to do a PhD straight after a Bachelor degree in the English system! I did so...finishing when I was 24, with a 4 year undergrad and no acceleration whatsoever! The only requirement was that the undergrad was an honours degree (this is also possible in 3 years!) and a 2.1 or higher. And my PhD is from a top Russell Group university in London. This may be especially common in the sciences.

I'm also not the only one and not completely unusual from my undergrad course (at least one other finished at 24, and quite a number at 25) and there was nothing too special about any of us. So if this person is said to be a high achiever, I don't see why finishing at 23 is at all impossible!

allchattedout · 05/03/2017 19:07

I don't see why finishing at 23 is at all impossible!

Nor do I and I think it's a bit of a non-point actually. The OP doesn't know for sure that the friend was 23 (she said she thinks she finished at 23). It hardly smacks of the whole thing being fake and I am not sure why people are debating the point.

kali110 · 05/03/2017 19:21

To be honest I think everyone is being a little harsh. Yes it may be due to a little jealousy, but her husband isn't helping it by not seeing things from her point of view.* so her dh should give up his long friendship and hobbies Confused

Xanadu44 · 05/03/2017 19:22

Even if she didn't have a partner, he married you! If he was in to this woman then he would have pursued it years ago! I think YABU. I have lots of male friends and some of their girlfriends (turned wives) were weird with me at first but eventually they realised that there had never been anything with me. I think you have been horrific looking through his messages and I think it's nice he has a good friend with similar interests. How would you feel if he went through your messages? You need to realise how lucky you are to have a lovely husband (you yourself said your relationship was great) and stop trying to ruin it for no reason!

Sarahrellyboo1987 · 05/03/2017 19:23

You are definitely being unreasonable.
If you don't trust your husband why are you with him?
You shouldn't be going through his messages - that's so wrong

Xanadu44 · 05/03/2017 19:23

P.s I also think it was very harsh not to invite his long term good friend to the wedding because of your askewed view of it. It was very reasonable of him to be ok about it. You need to stop.

BringMeTheFreak · 05/03/2017 19:32

She sends him cat gifs?

Definitely having an affair then.

Craigie · 05/03/2017 19:38

YABTU and weird. I've got male friends I've known for years. Most of them are 5-10 years older than me, former colleagues. We have exactly the sort of relationships you are describing. You sound totally, unreasonably jealous, not to mention sneaky & controlling. Wind your neck in.

Bobbi73 · 05/03/2017 20:03

I normally try and be kind and supportive but you definitely need to step back and decide if you want this marriage to work or not. I have male friends that I go out with and my partner has female friends. We've never married because we don't want to but have been together over 20 years,have 2 children and a house together. I didn't think anyone would describe us as uncommited.
Tbh, almost everything you say makes you sound a bit unbalanced. Going through his private messages is a terrible invasion of his privacy and he really has given you no cause to worry. As for am old friend sending a card and gift to a wedding, how exactly is that passive aggressive
Haa your jealousy been a problem before? It's seems to me that you obviously have some issues that you need to work through and if you're not careful, you will ruin your relationship.
I'm not trying to be unkind but you are being extremely unreasonable. I hope you can work this out and go on to have a long and happy marriage.

RebelRogue · 05/03/2017 20:26

YABU! Your insecurities,jealousy and self esteem are your issues not his,so work on them,and stop being in a one sided competition with this woman.

EUnamechange · 05/03/2017 20:31

Hi Springycurls

I work in a similar environment to your DH (govt, sensitive, demanding, niche, highly qualified), so may be able to bring you some perspective.

Jobs and ranks
In these sorts of work environments, you are employed for your brains and knowledge (even if it's not exactly what you qualified in). As such your opinions and input are respected whatever your age.

It's even possible, if the friend came in via Fast Stream, and your DH via a expert/skills job advert, that the friend could have ended up higher in rank. Yes, even if your DH mentored her - we respect the skills others bring to the role. Fast Streamers are very bright and rise very quickly through the ranks, but have to change role frequently, whilst specialists may prefer to stay in their area of interest. I know it can seem weird - I was once told off by my dad for showing 'insufficient respect' for and being teasing (cheeky) to an older man I worked with, (of the same rank) who he assumed must be my superior.

Age
The age thing is a non-issue in these circumstances. In my mid-twenties, most of those at the same rank as me were in their late thirties, forties, fifties. Why wouldn't I be friends with them?

And then, I suspect, both your DH and his friend are nerds. Nerds reach across the age and gender barriers anyway.

Gender In some areas of government, especially techy areas, men outnumber the women. Friendships across the genders are absolutely normal.

Until I had my first child I had almost no female friends, because I had studied and worked with almost only men. Thus my friends, including my best friends, are all men. My DH is absolutely happy and at ease with this. I even go on 'dates' with them, it's a joke between (all of) us. And yes, some of them I've had previous romances with, but all finished years ago (before DH) and not something I'd ever want to return to. Your DH had opportunity to be with this woman, but chose you.

Travelling together? I am always happy if there's a friendly face at my conferences and meetings. Someone I can chill with a bit instead of being on guard all the time. I can understand the messages they exchanged regarding the seminar and I would view them as entirely innocent.

"Not required that they go". In these kinds of jobs you rarely have a boss saying 'you must go to x seminar', it's usually a decision you can make yourself - and that decision is driven by professional development and need (whether info or networking). So he may not have a boss insisting, but it may be something he really should do anyway. It doesn't mean he secretly wants to rendez vous with this friend.

Sensitive work. You rightly suggest that the sensitivity of your DH's work might mean he sometimes needs to chat with someone who understands the situation, and to whom he can freely talk. Please don't take it personally. That's the nature of the job. It can be very hard to explain why something was frustrating and upsetting if you are unable to freely discuss the details. It can be as hard for us as it is for you.

Accessing his messages
Please tell me you only ransacked his personal phone (and that's bad enough). If you've gone into his work phone (you do mention work issues were being discussed) then both of you have a problem (him- security breach, you - sanity and the law).

Pet name That's the only thing I find a little unusual in this whole story. But it's not necessarily a worry. Depends what it is really. If it's obviously a lover-type name then I'd be more worried.

Politics We government types tend to talk a lot about politics I'm afraid, as it often has a big impact on our work, especially these days. I entirely agree with you that people can be married and have different political opinions (as long as you are in agreement on the underpinning ethical/moral values - i.e. you may not be able to agree on gay marriage in church, but you can agree that gay people shouldn't be persecuted).

I think you're in real danger of damaging your apparently good relationship with a lovely DH here. It seems to me like you are over-sensitive about being excluded from their world (through sensitivity, interest, or education), and possibly sensitive about being less highly qualified? I'm not sure that's the case, but I wondered. Please please take this opportunity to examine yourself and your reactions honestly.

Don't make assumptions about how he feels about you ('pleb')! My DH is highly qualified in his own field, we don't understand each other's fields at all (and like you, we can't discuss details). It just gives us a healthy respect for each other's expertise.

By not inviting her to your wedding you were being quite unpleasant towards your DH. Also, she was not to know that you excluded her on purpose (your DH might have said it was a numbers issue, for example), and a small gift and card seems a very kind gesture. At my wedding we had numerous opposite sex colleagues, friends, and exes.

If you contact her to tell her to back off, they would both, rightfully, be extremely upset with you. Why not make a genuine effort to get to know her, and her partner (just because they're not married doesn't mean it's not serious). Invite them both for dinner (the partner might be more on your wave-length, making conversation easier, then you can roll your eyes at each other when they go off on some nerdy tangent).

I'm afraid you don't understand their world and it will just make you look foolish if you continue on this path. If you really can't find some point on which you can connect, then step back, but let them have their friendship. There is nothing to suggest anything untoward going on here.

Hutch2017 · 05/03/2017 20:33

Firstly, having read most of these replies, I think people are being a bit unkind. I love how people can be holier than thou, have never been jealous or insecure in their lives and would be so laid back and understanding if it were their DH.

Don't get me wrong, from what you have posted, the issue is clearly down to your own insecurities and I don't think he is up to anything. If you've been snooping in his phone, I'm sure you would have found some evidence of it. I suspect perhaps this woman may enjoy making you feel insecure if she is behaving in a strange way around you (just guessing here).

I also suspect your DH is not helping you deal with your insecurities by putting your mind at rest more, which is a bit unfair. Even if some people think you are unreasonable, being insecure isn't a nice feeling. If he really loved you he would at least try to make you feel better.

My advice would be to try and be nice about her, invite her over again and be extra nice to her - try to get to know her. If she is winding you up, she will hate this. If she's not and she is a nice person, she will appreciate it.

fullofhope03 · 05/03/2017 20:35

OP, if there was more to this than just a friendship, they would have got together by now. But they haven't and she's still with her partner.
Also, just because she isn't married doesn't make her and her partners relationship any less loving or 'valid' than if they were married.
I do however understand your insecurities, but only because I'm ridiculously insecure myself, groans and slaps self round face...
The best thing you could (try) to do is be calm. And if she and her other half come round for dinner again, engage with her. Your husband will be suprised and delighted and you will hopefully feel better too. Good luck x

fullofhope03 · 05/03/2017 20:38

Spot on Hutch2017! You put it much better than I did :-) x

Bluntness100 · 05/03/2017 20:40

I love how people can be holier than thou, have never been jealous or insecure in their lives and would be so laid back and understanding if it were their DH.

skincarejunkie · 05/03/2017 21:02

OP, I would not change a single thing about my husband. Your problems start there. If you loved him you wouldn't be doing any if this nonsense. You sound like you've settled fir him. Are you sure you want this really?

BestZebbie · 05/03/2017 21:05

About the pet names: are they actually pet names or are they online handles (such as you being called springycurls on this thread). It isn't uncommon for geeky circles to communicate online in real-time (used to be newsgroups, then irc, etc) and for all of those mediums only the nickname shows up, so frequently the nickname effectively replaces the real name of the person within that social group even if they meet up in real life. I have been to restaurant bookings for fairly close friends that I have known for many years and not only not known their surname when asked what party I am with, but actually had to think quite hard to recall their "real life" first name too....
If they LARP or game they may also use past character names as personal handles within the group (although that is less common as usually the character is quite a distinct person from yourself).

CrikeyPeg · 05/03/2017 21:06

I've tried looking her up on facebook but her privacy settings are very strong so I can't even message her directly telling her to back off. I could get her number off DH phone but that seems a bit OTT

Wow, just wow. OP, are you on glue?!?!? Bahaha - I've been wanting to say that for so long - I've only made it to page 3 so someone else may have beaten me to it, in which case meh! Grin

Hutch2017 · 05/03/2017 21:07

Clearly no one said they had never been jealous or insecure in their lives. Which kind of undermines your post really

lemondropcake · 05/03/2017 21:09

I think everyone is being a bit harsh.

They have history. they used to date.
you don't feel comfortable with it and it's eating away at you, so you check his messages.
you then find out he's meeting up with her at a seminar, one he doesn't have to go to, only because each other are going. I assume he hasn't told you this?
You don't feel comfortable with this and he isn't respecting your feelings. I would go with my gut. You are trying to avoid something happening in the future. Yes you are jealous but you are only human. You have good reason.

I wouldn't like this.