To be disappointed that feminist Emma Watson has posed topless

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To promote her new film. Can't these A listers just wear a classy outfit?

Elendon really? You think Emma in that photograph was poised and ready to have sexual intercourse? That is what an erect penis is, and why it is considered pornographic.

Whereas the direct comparison - men using their tits to take in the cash, is everywhere.

foof well it needed both ingredients...because it didn't happen before she choose to twerk for money.

It isn't her fault, she has the right to choose whatever she wants to do with her body including sell it. But there is no point denying her actions have caused other women's lives to be that little bit harder than they already were.

Morphene how long had you been there when that started happening. (I'm sorry that happened to you).

"But according to the screechers, they are boys so THAT'S DIFFERENT."

"Screechers"? Nice bit of misogenyist language there!

Funny, isn't it-anti feminists are always so much ruder than feminists, and still use traditional "putting down women" language. Like screech aand prudish and pearl clutching and "not being any fun"........

Bert What is your take on this? - You usually are quite level and insightful about these issues.

I don't see how a female in a succession of silly outfits and awful photos makes anyone's life harder. Except hers due to being a laughing stock, but her choice.

I called these poster screechers because they appear thoughtless and hysterical over nothing. If people like Bert think that that is exclusive to women, the misogyny is on them, not me. Apparently endless shirtless pictures of Matthew Lewis, Daniel Radcliffe in a nude sexual scene and endless salacious reporting thereof are not objectionable, but a young woman in a crocheted top is. (It is apparently fine for a man to strip nude for a sex scene in an artistic play, but not for a woman to show a few inches of underboob in an artistic photo.)

But then Bert thinks Emma is to blame for the Sun being disgusting about her because she KNEW WHAT THEY WOULD SAY IF SHE CHOSE TO WEAR AN OUTFIT SHE OBVIOUSLY LIKES, and you can't reason with that level of sexism. It belongs out there with 'well, she was wearing a crocheted designer top short skirt....'

And I am the misogynist, apparently...

"But then Bert thinks Emma is to blame for the Sun being disgusting about her because she KNEW WHAT THEY WOULD SAY IF SHE CHOSE TO WEAR AN OUTFIT SHE OBVIOUSLY LIKES, "

Please can you point out where I said anything of the sort?

I used to agree with you poor yourick but Bert has given me plenty of new insight into feminism as the post on different threads. I've often wanted to disagree but she infuriatingly has a very valid point.

Bert, I apologise, it was BillSykesDog who said that. The thread is so long I'm getting people mixed up.

And regarding the issue of men and women being topless, in this discussion it's irrelevant since Watson isn't topless. And she's showing a lot less skin than Lewis has in many shoots that he's done.

Tbh Bert hasn't given her opinion on this particular pic(unless i missed it..?!?) but rather debated the principle of sexualised pictures and their ramifications for women in general.

So yes, she is a feminist, yes she should be able to go topless if she wants to, but unfortunately in the current climate, yes, posing topless for money is an antifeminist action. I agree she should be able to do that. However, she should stop the double standard. This is quote from her. Photo below.
Am glad it came to bite her on the backside. Hopefully she knows what it feels like for her feminism to be scrutinised. Before, all the feminist did was praise her.

Having now spent ages on the Burberry website I'm now sure the outfit is not a dress with a sheer top (as some were saying) but a lace /macrame skirt worn without any top but with a separate organza collar and the capelet.

Women’s Runway Collection | Burberry
uk.burberry.com/hand-looped-rope-capelet-p45466191

The capelet doesn't look nearly so silly when it's worn on top of something. It just seems a bloody stupid idea on the part of the stylist and EW to pose a shoot with a skirt and forget to put a top on with it.

But topless pictures of men are fine because patriarchy

Misss- do you see no difference at all from a societal, cultural or sexual point point between a man without a top on and a woman without a top on?

Just out of curiosity are women even legally allowed to walk down the street topless?

Sure. While men don't have boobs they are still objectified if they have a ripped body and fat shamed if they are overweight

Sorry- can't be bothered any more. You can't fight stupid.

And you can't convince a 'feminist' to fight for true equality

I dunno lass

There is a creasing just under her arms

Do yiu think thats the top of the skirt then?

I did have a look at the link but lost the will to live at the teddy keyrings

If you think that there is no difference between how society perceives a man with no top and a woman with no top them you obviously think that "real equality" has been achieved already.

Society may well perceive topless men and women differently, but should we let societal injustices dictate what we want to do? Should we accept them or work to change them and normalise both equally...and in the meantime, do what we like with our own bodies?

It is deeply hypocritical that Matthew Lewis can pose shirtless in endless pics (and thank God for that) and Daniel Radcliffe can perform completely nude to be artistic in a play...but it would appear that Emma Watson can't expose a few subtle inches of underboob to be artistic in a single photograph without being shot down everywhere.

There's no topless woman to discuss in this subject anyway.

The discussion seems to have dissolved into whether being semi naked is different for men and women, whether it is sexual or not.

The point for me is that Daniel Radcliffe could strip naked for Women's Titilation Monthly and if he then chose to comment upon the experience of being male or parenting or politics his nudity would not in any way detract from people's view of his comment.
Only women get put in these boxes whereby if you are political you have to be sexless, if you are an actress you can't be thoughtful, if you dress provocatively ever you cannot be a feminist.

We really like to find every way imaginable to tell women how to look, think, speak and be.