To be disappointed that feminist Emma Watson has posed topless

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To promote her new film. Can't these A listers just wear a classy outfit?

It's no more revealing than some of the designer tat some slabs wear to premieres and parties. Her body, her choice.

Slebs not slabs, new phone needs to learn silly words.

Only women get put in these boxes whereby if you are political you have to be sexless, if you are an actress you can't be thoughtful, if you dress provocatively ever you cannot be a feminist.

And also that if you're a famous woman, you have to be a role model. Famous men can be whatever the fuck they like.

EW being so disingenuous in that video.

PoorYorrick,

Exactly so.

The fact she has done this shoot in conjunction with the promotion of Beauty and the Beast a children film leaves me

The day I see Emma Watson as a 'role model' is the day I give up the will to live.

Frankly? The bar is currently set so low that any woman in the public eye prepared to say that she's a feminist gets my vote.

I don't equate modelling with art or acting, no.

it isn't fair at all, but the reality is that the patriarchy means that it IS fine for men to pose semi naked and sexualized, because that isn't playing into a damaging limiting stereotype for men. Selling the sexualization of your body IS playing into a damaging stereotype for women though.

So while Emma OUGHT to be a free as Daniel to make money from her body, the impact on others is far greater when she does it than when he does it.

Again, it isn't fair and in some utopian future it wouldn't make a difference, but right here and now it does.

opal I'd been there around 5 years. I had to try and deal with an incident where a student thought it was acceptable to stick up Miley on her wrecking ball as the opening slide on a presentation about gravity, and then had endless queries, questions and complaints from people who couldn't understand why putting up sexual imagery of women in a physics class isn't okay.

Morphene I may be missing your point, but if some people would "slut shame" a woman who has casual sex but not a man, is the problem with her or with them?

It's really simple for me - women should be able to choose what they wish to wear and not having other women commenting. To class yourself as a feminist and being 'disappointed' in another woman judging her is a contradiction to being a feminist in my opinion.

I wear make up. Every day. I have my hair done very 4 weeks and buy new clothes regularly. I have HD brows, shave my legs and underarms and love dressing up. I've worn revealing clothes and not so revealing clothes.

The only people IRL that I find comment on other women and poses like Emma's are jealous - A true feminist would be applauding her :)

Ellamoromou

I don't agree with the 'people who are objecting are jealous' bit but I do agree totally with the basic point that people criticising her for very nearly but not quite revealing a nipple are hugely anti-feminist and the faux disappointment is a bit nauseating .

She is allowed to do what she wants with her body and saying it is bad because it somehow diminishes feminism in the minds of people who think nearly showing your nipple proves all women are merely sexual playthings is, to me, nonsense. Our issue should be more with the people who look at a few inches of exposed décolletage and decide that that totally defines everything about her and every other woman too.

And if anyone thinks that the children going to Beauty and the Beast are reading a Vanity Fair then they are a bit odd. If the Indignant of Tonbridge Wells lot hadn't demanded to be outraged no one would have noticed this high fashion shoot except the intended audience.

She's not Kim Khardashian getting famous from sex tapes and butt shots. She's an actress in the public eye who tries to use her position to talk sense about being a young woman and who is seriously interested in fashion and did a fashion shoot.

But she's young and beautiful and wants to talk about feminism so let's beat the shit out of her because, you know, women do that to other women so much better than men do.

The problem is that some of us are tying to talk about the objectification of women and how we feel very uneasy that it is seen as OK- in fact practically obligatory- for women promoting anything, even a film for children, to wear clothes that show a lot of skin. And in this case, clothes which make movement impossible. And other people are taking this as a direct criticism of Watson. Which it isn't. It's a questioning/criticism of the system that she, and all of us, are part of.

There is a huge difference between a woman choosing to wear something, and a woman being dressed in something.

Pag - my DD (12) doesn't read Vanity Fair but does use the internet so is aware of the picture I put in the OP.

Yes. And it's on the internet because of the faux outrage.

My DD is 14 and even two years ago was able to have conversations about the difference between art and porn, between something designed to look beautiful and something designed to titilate.

You don't seem to be able to tell the difference between outrage and concern, though..........

I can tell the difference thanks.

Some people are expressing concern. There is certainly a discussion to be had.
A great deal of people however are enjoying faux outrage. Or else it wouldn't have been all over the media to ensure that those children who may be impacted by it get to see it. And why so many of the comments about her feminism are tagged with '...and I never liked her/think she's a crap actress/don't think she's intelligent etc etc .

The use of hyperbole is a long established silencing technique. Women-especially feminist women-are always outraged, or hysterical or shrieking or screeching. Even when all they are doing is making a calm measured point. Classic deflection.

"The use of hyperbole is a long established silencing technique"

Are you going for an irony award.

Are you being silenced? Or was your whole post itself just utter deflection?

Deflecting from what? I have expressed my point of view several times.

I have to go to work now but thanks for that Bertrand.
Very entertaining

This is a funny video about women's tits.
To bra or not to bra.
My tits are more feminist than your tits video

m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=WPQO1DJhlKo

It is my God given right to make fun of people who become hysterical and screechy over three inches of underboob.

My DD is 14 and even two years ago was able to have conversations about the difference between art and porn, between something designed to look beautiful and something designed to titilate.

Yeah right. Helmut Newton's photos of naked women are art, too, allegedly.

Still degrading as fuck.

Your point?

If this is supposed to be beautiful, it fails, big time.

Emma Watson looks much better in her everyday clothes.