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Lweji · 26/02/2017 13:23

A new thread. From
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2862265-Were-only-showing-Ami-the-good-news-now-to-keep-her-sweet-Its-another-Trump-thread?watched=1&msgid=67235918#67235918

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originalbiglymavis · 27/02/2017 17:15

I think that everyone knew it was tricky. If he thinks that's hard, how does he get his tiny were brain cell around nuclear energy and economics?

amispartacus · 27/02/2017 17:21

Sean: What is the President's plan for US Healthcare?

Well, we're going to repeal Obamacare which is so expensive.

Yes, and then what?
Just wait and see.

originalbiglymavis · 27/02/2017 17:24

Snake oil to cure all ills. How apt.

Natsku · 27/02/2017 17:25

www.nytimes.com/2017/02/26/world/europe/trump-enemy-of-the-people-stalin.html?smid=tw-share

History of the phrase "Enemy of the People" - Trump is in good company...

Lweji · 27/02/2017 17:33

CNN:

"Washington (CNN) President Donald Trump's first budget proposal will look to increase defense and security spending by $54 billion and cut roughly the same amount from non-defense programs, the White House said Monday."

Why?

Because "we have to start winning wars".

Much more important that education, health, infrastructure (wasn't he going to improve it bigly?), etc.

I'm curious about this: "The majority of " lower priority programs and most federal agencies" will see a reduction in their budget"

Because, wars, stupid.

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MsHooliesCardigan · 27/02/2017 17:35

'we have to come up with a solution that's really really good I think. Very good.'
You don't say? Hmm
That's the extent of his vision on healthcare.

CussingQuim · 27/02/2017 17:36

Ahem. I apologise for my outburst earlier (and also to the colleague who possibly knows who I am on here now)

New tweet from Trump with photo - "Great meeting with CEOs of leading U.S. health insurance companies who provide great healthcare to the American people."

(And what a diverse industry that looks like too!)

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nicenewdusters · 27/02/2017 17:48

There must be some bigly brains in that photo. Don't cha know, y'all, it's a tough subject.

merrymouse · 27/02/2017 17:49

I'm a bit confused. I can remember being told repeatedly back in the Autumn that people were voting for Trump to avoid war. Now he seems to be saying that he wants to win a war - doesn't matter which war as long as he wins.

Also Trump was going on about America always winning wars when he was in college. Which wars is he talking about? Leaving aside the civil war and wars to gain American territory, (the kind of thing you wouldn't be allowed to do nowadays) America as a country isn't old enough to have been involved in that many wars.

(Obviously when he was actually in college Trump was busily avoiding being involved in the Vietnam war).

merrymouse · 27/02/2017 17:52

Does Trump just mean that he has watched a lot of movies about America winning wars?

Lweji · 27/02/2017 18:00

The problem is that he doesn't understand the Middle East, either. You can't win a war by military power in the same country your enemy lives in. You just get guerrilla warfare.

You can't win a war on terrorism.

All you can do is reach for peace. And that hardly ever happens with guns and soldiers.

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originalbiglymavis · 27/02/2017 18:08

I think he's getting confused with dear old Ronald Regan in his movie star days. I think he did a few war flicks (terribly historically accurate I assume - US winning ww2 on white horses, chewing gum).

That or John Wayne.

AndHoldTheBun · 27/02/2017 18:08

A couple of years ago my DH (a senior Dr with a finger in many regional health care management committee pies), was invited to give a talk to a group of wealthy Americans about the costs and benefits of the NHS system compared to the American system.

I helped out with researching the talk and it was a real eye-opener to me. This is a simplification but basically the American system costs double (per person) than the NHS system, but in the NHS system everyone is covered. In American large numbers of people have little or no cover and medical bankruptcies are very common.

The cost of the taxpayer funded portion of the US system per person is roughly the same as entire taxpayer funded NHS (around 8% of GDP iirc).

There are many areas of health care "success measurement" where the NHS outperforms the US system. You have to be very wealthy to benefit from the system and many people get worse outcomes in the US across a wide range of conditions. Harmful (and expensive) over testing and over treatment is a real problem too.

And yet, socialised medicine is seen as being evil.

The health care insurance industry isn't there to make sure people get the appropriate treatment, they exist to make a profit.

Alice212 · 27/02/2017 18:12

Apologies for wandering into conspiracy theory
I just got back from work and had a chance to see the Oscars balls up only now
I can see how it could happen
But I also haven't heard any reports of anti Trump speeches....hmm.

originalbiglymavis · 27/02/2017 18:15

I was suspicious that the cock up overshadowed any political angle. Who the hell wouldn't write the caterory on the actual slip ('winner of x,y,z is...') let alone the envelope?

Have these people never organised an award ceremony before?

merrymouse · 27/02/2017 18:16

the best actress category was written on the slip - they were confused and read it out anyway.

originalbiglymavis · 27/02/2017 18:20

I'm confused myself! Very basic mistakes (says the anal event manager).

Lweji · 27/02/2017 18:20

Anyone who watched the Ceremony will have seen the Trump digs and jokes.
There weren't any anti-Trump speeches, as such, not like by the underrated Streep before.
The most politically charged speech was by the Iranian director who won, but didn't attend in protest.

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AcrossthePond55 · 27/02/2017 18:22

No, you fucking asshole, health care isn't fucking complicated when you're a fucking billionaire (on paper) and it's nothing to you to pay 5 figures for a top of the line policy and then drop another 5 figures in copays. Let alone be able to afford experimental treatments or fly to wherever to get needed treatment and pay cash for it. Sheesh! What a fucking moron. Complicated!!! Playing fucking 'Go Fish' is probably complicated to you!

BTW, The Donald is eligible for the same insurance I have (as a federal employee or retiree). It's heavily subsidized by the govt to make it affordable for the rank and file of us, as a rule we pay 1/3, the govt pays 2/3. Gee, a govt subsidy to make health insurance affordable, Donald? Sound fucking familiar? Damn betcha he's taking advantage of that subsidy!

Viet Nam? Oh is that the war for which Trump got one medical deferment for 'bone spurs' and four deferments for 'college'? Why yes! Yes it was! Now, I have no problem with someone getting a deferment, Viet Nam was a horrible mistake. I'm old enough to have lost friends in Viet Nam, either to death or to PTSD. But I DO have a problem with someone who got multiple deferments criticizing others for not serving, criticizing Gold Star parents, or criticizing an American former POW as 'not being a hero'.

Alice212 · 27/02/2017 18:25

Yes, Lweji, but how many people watch it? Is it as many as those who don't or can't? Anyone who didn't and just follows on news or social media will have forgotten anti Trump comments quite fast after that.

DumbledoresApprentice · 27/02/2017 18:28

Bigly- what does an anal event manager do! Grin

DumbledoresApprentice · 27/02/2017 18:28

Grr- should have been a "?"

CussingQuim · 27/02/2017 18:29

Has this been posted yet?

Trump hasn't talked to Russia in 10 years, BusinessInsider quotes from his questions the other day. Erm...

CussingQuim · 27/02/2017 18:30

I guess arguably anyone who didn't watch or look it up wouldn't care?

Lweji · 27/02/2017 18:34

Apparently down on over 30 million viewers in the US.

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