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realDonaldTrump this spike should alarm all, as it only signals what we already know: you're no populist but rather a pawn of big business

Of course share prices are going up. He is removing banking regulations, health and safety legislation and environmental protections. Awesome for big business. Not so great for the person who cant pay their medical care after getting injured at work, due to lack of wage protections, and doesn't even have drinkable water coming out the tap. Good for business does not always mean good for workers

Indeed, Bigly. Plus lots of luvverly volatility.

45 doesn't understand finance, it's clear.

But then - add that to the list of all the things he doesn't understand. And what's worse - 'he thinks he does understand them'.

Heaven's yes cozie. People who don't understand but know they don't understand, so seek and take expert advice are fine. In fact I find they often consider things from lots of angles so make a much better decisions in the end. Its the people who think they are experts but actually haven't a clue who fuck things up.

I may feel quite strongly about this as I work in an area where pretty much anyone who has ever stood in the same room as a computer thinks they are an expert at my job and therefore know much better than me despite the fact I have been doing it and studying the area for getting on 8 years. Needless to say I spend a lot of time cleaning up the mess they make when they decide they don't need me and screw it up

Good for business does not always mean good for workers

Good point, Bigly. I'm more and more reminded of the 'Gilded Age' here in the US, when the Robber Barons 'ruled'. Carnegie, Vanderbilt, Astor, Rockefeller, Mellon et al. It was an age of unregulated commerce and the rape of natural resources. There was great prosperity, but also great poverty. Working conditions were horrible. And there was a 'paternalistic' feeling from the rich of "Now, now, little people, we know what's best. You need to be satisfied with the crumbs from our table!".

I think this pretty much sums up then (and now);

"What is the chief end of man?to get rich. In what way?dishonestly if we can; honestly if we must." -- Mark Twain-1871

New thread anyone?

Another quote from Twain.

'It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.'

I don't think that 45 is a Twain-reading person, somehow.

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One cannot overstate how bothered POTUS will be by this Sessions story (with GOPers now calling for recusal) stepping on his good news cycle

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It's not illegal for a Senator to speak w the Russian Ambassador. So why lie about it under oath? Makes no sense, unless...

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Armed Services Committee Dem: Our members don't meet with Russian ambassadors hill.cm/KjAQB45

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I've been on the Armed Services Com for 10 years.No call or meeting w/Russian ambassador. Ever. Ambassadors call members of Foreign Rel Com.

Jim Roberts‏Verified account @nycjim 15m15 minutes ago
Key GOP lawmakers break ranks and join Democrats in demanding that Jeff Sessions recuse himself from Russia inquiry. nyti.ms/2mwlEPZ

At some point they have to realise that in politics you shouldn't just be beyond reproach. You should also appear beyond reproach.

Trump may think he can get away with murder, as well as his Administration, and he has some reason to think so. But, at some point it will be too much and they will be distrusted. Democrats could end up with House majorities and things could get very ugly for the current administration.

That's 3 powerful Republicans that have actually uttered or commented publicly on the 'R' concept? I wonder how many are just plain talking about it?

Sessions would be a massive blow, though. Huge.

I don't think Sessions is salvageable at this point. Thank fuck.

Sorry, coziet - the 'R' concept? Do you mean Sessions recusing himself from the Russian enquiry?

Aren't Republicans traditionally more weary of Russia than even Democrats?

Russia may not be a top economic power, but it's certainly the US main military counter-power, if not an overt enemy at this point.

Friendship with Russia doesn't fit in with the MAGA theme at all. Not in the sense that Americans got used to.

I think GOP can use the Russia narrative to get rid of the wild card. The Trump card.

Russia has always been the Achilles' Heel.

Yes, Dum. Sorry. I did mean that.

Russia has always been the Achilles' Heel.

Yes, the Dems, the intelligence agencies and the media need to pursue this with great vigour.

Psst, ami - this is your chance to wrest control back from Lweji. We are on p40 and headed for the finish line.

"In the White House things are looking bad. This could be the beginning of the end for Trump"
www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-america-crisis-congress-lawsuits-russia-a7607671.html

New thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2867981-I-never-met-someone-from-NM-to-discuss-MN-Honest-Trump-thread-cont

I've missed these threads!

I don't believe for a second that this will cause Trump to go. The man has no shame. The only way he'll leave is if he's forced to - and the Republican congress has no desire to actually do its job.