To be baffled by and disappointed with the amount of transphobia on MN?

[ShutTheFuckUpBarbara]

I know I'll get flamed for voicing my opinion on this, but I don't care.

I just don't understand why there is so much hatred for trans people on here.

Yes, some trans activists are extremists and no I don't agree with them, but should all other trans people suffer because of them?

I get that there are issues that need to be addressed, as highlighted by recent items in the news and recent threads (which prison should trans people be sent to, can a MTW be a girl guide leader and various others). I don't have a solution for these, but I feel that as a society we should work together to make it work, rather than just spout hatred and insults.

It is especially disappointing as there are a lot of people in the trans community suffering mental health issues, often as the result of how they are being treated, and MN is usually a safe haven for people with MH issues.

I used to enjoy reading the Feminism chat (or most of it anyway), now almost every thread on there is transphobic

Most of us here are women, a lot of us are from ethnic minorities, or have a disability, a lot of us have been discriminated against, we know what it feels like so why do it to others??

Kikikaakaa how many genders would you like? there seems to be plenty at the moment: genderfluidsupport.tumblr.com/gender/

I think my point is why are people fighting to be woman label when they already have plenty at hand

Remember when words used to mean stuff. Like when you accused someone of hate speech it meant that they had said something hateful.

Now it just means stating facts. We've all been radicalised by science.

That is a weirdly accurate statement!

Transwomen are men

This is hate speech. Pure and simple.

No it fucking isn't. It's a valid opinion and closer to scientific reality than believing they are women.

Thank you Lottie for posting Magdalen. She has no truck with bullshit.

But I think it's perfectly clear to most people how much of a loon wiktional is.

This is hate speech. Pure and simple.

No, it isn't. It's fact. Maybe it's an unpopular fact, but fact it is.

I am Spartacus. Again.

Here are a list of genders which we are supposed to respect according to a batshit mainstream "feminist" site:

•	Amorgender – gender that changes in response to a romantic partner’s
•	Mirrorgender – gender that changes to reflect those around you
•	Ambigender – two genders experienced simultaneously as equal and unchanging
•	Chaosgender – gender that is highly unpredictable
•	Genderfuck – a subversive gender that can be singular or multi
•	Demifluid – having multiple genders where some are fluid, while others are static
•	Collgender – not pangender, but having too many genders to describe
•	Endogender – having multiple genders that all relate to a specific gender construct, e.g. mascfluid
•	Cyclogender – gender that changes with hormonal cycles
•	Fissgender – having highly disparate genders, as in “fissured”
•	Domgender – having multiple genders where one is dominant over the rest
•	Gendervex – having multiple genders, each of which is unidentifiable

At what point are the "twanzphobic" people going to say "yes, ok, that is ridiculous?"

I never have issues over public loos and that kind of thing as I tend not to use them
Are you the Queen?

And which sex segregated spaces do you think these people should access?

We so must all put Chaosgender on every form that asks for gender, that definitely sounds like the coolest one.

Gotta love all the people "plopping" and 'agreeing' with op (aka "you iz all transphobic bigots") when in fact op is engaging and (as far as I have seen!) being perfectly reasonable

Venus, we're gonna need a load of toilets...

YY mistressiggi, I think that is the way forward

Chaosgender would be a great name for a band.

If someone IDs as choasgender how the hell can you not mis gender them if they don't even know.

I am so sorry I just cannot take this stuff seriously anymore, especially seeing the tumblr thread and "feminist" website on the insane number of fabricated genders.

Conker

You are expected to politely ask and then make sure you don't misgender them by using their various genders disproportionately.

Fucking hell, that list reads like the cast for a reboot of the X-Men. "These public toilets need re-labelling and we only have 14 hours to save the earth! This is a job for Gendervex!"

The emperor is wearing a new dress.

I think the point is that many of these many gendered people are galloping narcissists and enjoy the idea of people having to walk on eggshells around them.

Im perplexed. Someone with a beard and a dick could identify as a women and therefore use the ladies. Weren't they called perverts?

They used to be, yes.

And wictional, lets go back to basics for you. A woman is an adult human female. A man isn't, he is an adult human male. Got it?

Fuck me, that list is something else. When I was a subversive teenager, I was a goth. Black crimped spiky hair, white face, scowly face. Nobody needed a degree to work out what I was. People left me to it, eventually I discovered colours other than black, no harm done.

And that is what will happen to many of these apparently gender confused people. It will cease to be so all important to them.