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Rock and a hard place - My dog and new baby

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Lemondrop09 · 26/02/2017 10:29

Perhaps AIBU is the wrong place to post this, as people can be very scathing. Please be honest but gentle with me!

Sorry this is so long.....

I rescued my dog over 7 years ago, when he was 8 months old. He'll be 8 years old in a few months time. He is a large cross breed (two guard breeds) and weighs over 40kg. He was poorly bred and poorly socialised and has been mentally screwed up by his bad start. He had multiple homes in his short life before coming to us. He did not go through a proper rescue centre and if he had a proper behavioural assessment, I strongly suspect he would have been put down. He would not have been rehomable - not because he's excessively aggressive, but few rescues will home dogs with even the slightest aggression.

His aggression is fear based. He's scared of strangers and other dogs. If properly introduced to a person or another dog, he's fine. In fact, he's a total baby and as soon as you have his trust, he'll love you forever. We spent so much time and money over the years on behaviourists, trainers and socialisation classes. He improved a lot, but he will always be difficult. We always walk him on lead and usually muzzled (as a precaution, he's never actually bitten anyone, the muzzle in more in case of other dogs) and actively avoid other dogs on walks. Walking him is stressful, but we mostly get out and back without incident. We do not bother introducing him to any people he does not need to know, instead we usually shut him away when we have visitors. However if we have overnight guests, he can be successfully introduced with a bit of time and lots of sausage!

Ok, so here's the main issue. When I got him seven years ago, I was not remotely thinking about children and had also expected an 8 month old puppy to turn into a normal dog with enough effort. I underestimated how much genetics would play and that he would never be normal. I thought I could turn him around completely. I couldn't,

I am now pregnant with our first child, although it's early days. It's been a very hard time as I've had hypermesis gravardium and have been (and still am) very unwell. I haven't got out of bed in weeks, and DH is working full time, running the household and sorting out dog. We normally split the dog walking (as Neither of us enjoy doing it due to stress) but he's done it every single day without complaining, even though I know it makes him miserable. I feel awful about it.

Both my SILs and MIL have never had any time for our dog. They aren't animal people and can't forgive him for his issues. As such, we have never introduced him to them. I find them quick to judge him and they all clearly think we should simply get rid of him. Now I'm pregnant, they've already started asking us about what we're going to do. It's so upsetting that I've asked DH to tell them to lay off.

Thing is, DH and I have known for a while that we would need to make a decision eventually, and we've had circular discussions but there's no easy answer.

We've tried for this baby for over a year and it's very much wanted. It's going to be hard enough have a newborn, without the stress about whether or not our own pet will harm it. Also (a more minor issue), our dog can be demanding and pushy. When he wants a walk or food, he will pace and whine, and drive you crackers. This behaviour when I'm sleep deprived with a screaming newborn is likely to push me over the edge.

DH is likely to have to pick up the dog walking for the majority of the time, as I cannot safely walk my dog and a buggy as I need two hands if an off lead dog approaches us (I might be able to cope with a sling, but still doesn't feel safe to carry a newborn and potentially deal with a dog spat). Getting a dog walker is not really an option, as our dog needs 1:1 care from someone who can handle him. I got this dog before DH came along, he's had a very difficult dog thrust on him which he wouldn't have chosen. DH does so well with our dog, but I know he does it for me.

I've tried to consider whether it would be realistic to keep the dog separate from baby during the day? Then let the dog out with us in the evenings? Once the baby has settled and is bigger there's a chance they could be introduced carefully.

Or can they? As I said, my dog is only scared of the unknown and very good when he trusts. The home he came to before is had 3 children under 10 and he was fine with them, but that was years ago. He has never shown aggression to a child, but then again we've never let him very near to them. He's a darling with us, and I do think he has the potential to be fine with our child who will be familiar and constant to him.

But how the hell do we ever find that out? Can I really actually try introducing dog and baby, or is it too risky? I feel like it might be irresponsible to even try.

He's a big strong dog. He occasionally jumps on us if he gets excited. He's heavy and his claws are sharp. He has hurt us both without meaning to. He could easily knock a toddler over, even if being friendly.

Thing is, I love my dog. Nightmare he is, but he's my nightmare and I'm responsible for him. I never wanted to be that person to turf out their pet because a baby turned up. My worries are genuinely to do with safety and whether this situation is manageable.

Thing is, even if we decide we can't do it, he would be impossible to rehome. There are thousands of perfectly nice dogs who can't find homes. My dog will be 8 years old, with aggression issues and also expensive seasonal allergies. Literally, no one would want him. I've had professionals say to be "he's lucky he has you, because I wouldn't put up with him!". I don't want to rehome him, but even if I decide to, I really think we would struggle to find him a home. He'd hate being stuck in kennels long term as he'd be so stressed, and I fear a rescue centre would simply put him down.

If we can't keep him, and no one will take him, the only other option would be to have him put to sleep - which is unthinkable.

I feel totally stuck between a rock and a hard place. DH and I have had this conversation so many times and never come up with an answer, because there isn't one! I think deep down I know it would be difficult, if not impossible, to manage such a situation safely. But I can't bear the idea of turfing out an elderly troubled dog and where on Earth would he go?!

So please be gentle. I'm pregnant, hormonal and ill, and I love my dog very much. So please be honest, but I can't handle a flaming right now.

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whyIsARavenLikeAWritingDesk · 26/02/2017 10:48

OP I feel sorry that you are having to deal with this, I know how a dog can affect your life and having the think the unthinkable must be heartbreaking! I'm not sure if this is feasible or something that can actually happen but my immediate thought was to see if a security company would take him on? It's always worth a shot?

On a happier note, he may very well surprise you and accept baby as part of the 'pack' I hope you can find a solution Flowers

Headofthehive55 · 26/02/2017 10:48

Your situation has changed. And so has the dogs. You were able to care for him, but not now. There is no shame in that. He could knock you over whilst pregnant, and you could miscarry.
A baby crying is likely to stress him further.

EssieTregowan · 26/02/2017 10:48

In this situation I would pts. He's had a lovely life with you, rehoming wouldn't be fair and I could never risk having him around a baby or toddler.

It would be the kindest thing for him. Either rehoming or a new baby would be stressful and confusing for him. Let him go.

specialsubject · 26/02/2017 10:48

How very difficult for you. But we prioritise humans over animals, and I cannot see that you can take the risk for your baby.

You have given him 8 years of a good life that he would not otherwise have had thanks to those that wrecked him as a puppy. You've done a great deal for him.

I think there is only one thing you can do - but I appreciate how difficult it is. As I have just said on another thread, larger animals that get damaged as babies due to mishandling have to be destroyed early. Fortunately he is a dog and has had a good life.

Lemondrop09 · 26/02/2017 10:49

He's been fine with my pregnancy. If fact, he's been very good about the fact I've been bed bound as has mostly left me in peace. He sleeps a lot of the day, which is why I don't think he'd mind be seoerated during the day (he's also used to us both being at work full time) as long as he got a walk and attention in the evening.

Funnily enough, while he's sensitive, noise doesn't both him in the slightest. Doesn't care about fireworks etc. Never reacted to the neighbors kids screaming in the garden. I don't think he'd find the noise of a newborn upsetting.

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spacefrog35 · 26/02/2017 10:50

Do you have anyone in your trusted circle who has small children? Would someone be prepared to bring a child over and sit in the lounge with dog secured behind a gate in the kitchen? You're talking a huge number of what ifs that you need to try and safely narrow down to a set of mostly knowns.

Good luck with both your pregnancy & coming to the right decision for your dog Flowers

Oysterbabe · 26/02/2017 10:50

You need to get rid of the dog one way or another. Sorry that's not very helpful but you do. Can you advertise it free to good home?

Apfelbunny · 26/02/2017 10:52

If you were introducing another dog I'd say give it a go and it might be ok, but not worth the risk with a baby.
It's a large dog vs a small baby.

A rehoming centre will at least try to find him a suitable home before they consider putting him down, they'll have the time and resources to make that decision so it's the sensible thing to do in my mind. Once baby comes along you won't have the time and you can't watch the dog all day to keep it away from the baby.
I know you'll feel bad taking him to be rehomed but it's the kindest thing to do for him, and clearly you love him or you wouldn't of asked for help and he would of been another abandoned dog. You're giving him a chance at another chapter in his life.
Maybe once baby comes and is settled you can get a more suitable dog.

SouthWestmom · 26/02/2017 10:53

What is his behaviour though?

With new people what does he do?

That would be my thinking - if he slinks off and hides that's one thing but if he tries to attack/growls etc than it's a no brained to pts - tired and sleepy and not thinking straight it would take one lapse for a possibly fatal outcome.

Lemondrop09 · 26/02/2017 10:53

The constant demands of a newborn thing does bother me. While this is primarily a safety issue, I admit my dog is hard work and I'm worried that he'll make a very difficult time so much harder. I've seen my most relaxed friends pushed to the edge in those first few months. I would never rehome my dog for being an inconvenience, but I would be lying if I didn't admit he is going to make things even harder. I do also worry that he'll be miserable over getting so little attention.

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Wolfiefan · 26/02/2017 10:53

Stair gates would keep your child and dog apart.
How about hiring a safe field. (Look
On website?) fenced off and individual use. No other dogs to worry about. You can hire one and let him run off lead.

Fingalswave · 26/02/2017 10:54

I think the baby gate separation option could possibly work until your child starts crawling and then walking but it would be a nightmare thereafter. I don't know what to say because he might be fine, but there is a strong chance he might not. And it's very risky to take that chsnce. Children do loud and unpredictable things and if your dog is fear aggressive, he will probably react badly to that. I'm sorry, and I say this as a dog lover with a fear (mildly) aggressive dog, but in your case I think I would be considering euthanasia. Flowers

littledinaco · 26/02/2017 10:54

My dog was used to us both working full time but I think it's different separating him when you're at home.

You will need to be with your baby 24 hours a day.

Giving dog attention in the evening-baby will need massive amounts of attention. Evening is typically when they are fussy/unsettled.

It's so hard OP but is it more cruel on the dog to keep him separated? I don't know.

Lemondrop09 · 26/02/2017 10:55

If a new person scares him, he lunges. It's scary to see him do, but it's a lot of noise and bluster. Problem is, he doesn't growl or warn. He does tense up, but he can just react. And he's tall enough to reach my arms if I was holding a baby.

That said, if introduced slowly, he's nearly always fine as long a we follow his routine. Barriers, time to consider the situation and lots of food.

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OneLumpOrSeven · 26/02/2017 10:55

Babies often don't settle though. As a newborn you could be feeding every 2 hours 24 hours a day. That's normal. I had a Velcro baby with reflux who wouldn't be put down. So you may not have the time you think you do.

That1950sMum · 26/02/2017 10:55

I feel incredibly sorry for you as you're in a horrible situation, but you have to get rid of the dog. You know that right?

It will be upsetting, but your baby's safety comes first.

Coastalcommand · 26/02/2017 10:56

I don't think you'll know until the baby arrives. I have two dogs who adore me but are scared of strangers. I've had to play it by ear with the baby and as it happened the dogs absolutely adore LO And completely understand the whole pack dynamic. Please don't do anything before your baby arrives, as you don't know what the situation will be like.

LovingLola · 26/02/2017 10:57

Your dog weighs over 40kg. He would very easily topple over a travel cot. If he ever did launch an attack (I realise he has never done this) would you be physically able to stop him?

formerbabe · 26/02/2017 10:58

I wouldn't risk keeping the dog. Your baby must come first.

Lemondrop09 · 26/02/2017 10:58

Wolfie, we do hire a field for him to run in. In fact, he's there with DH right now. It's a bit of a drive so he only gets there on weekends, but it helps.

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OneLumpOrSeven · 26/02/2017 11:00

If the dog hurts your child he'll have to be pts. I've seen enough dog bites in my years as a nurse and it's always unpleasant.

SPARKLYSTARSHINESBRIGHT · 26/02/2017 11:00

It's a tough one. I had my lame horse PTS 2 weeks before my DD3 was born. I loved him to bits but couldn't ride him (arthritis) or catch him unless he was in a very small paddock alone. He was miserable alone, nervous of people, I had spent hours and hours over 15 years gaining his trust. I just couldn't devote the time to him that he needed with 3 young children and the leaving the children in the car on a country lane whilst I chased him round the field to catch him.
It's a tough decision but I think you need to let him go and have him PTS. The next phase of your life will be different, I don't think you can trust your dog and you need to keep your baby safe, it could only take a few seconds... Things will seem clearer once your baby comes along and your baby will take priority.

Nearlyadoctor · 26/02/2017 11:00

In this situation I'm afraid I would have the dog pts. How would you ever live with yourself if something happened? There are no guarantees even if you were there you could prevent it or stop it if the dog is quite big.
The dog has had a marvellous home with you by the sound of it for the past 8 years and being a big dog is probably already at least two thirds through its natural lifespan.
I have every sympathy for you, but should something happen the consequences are unthinkable. You are being a responsible owner to be thinking this through now.

Fingalswave · 26/02/2017 11:01

Sorry, just seen that he is OK with loud noises and children screaming. Very difficult to judge then in that case, but that's the problem isn't it? If you, as the person along with your dh, who know and love him best have serious doubts and concerns, I doubt anyone on here can offer you better advice.

It sucks but it is so risky, and in your shoes, I think I would err on the side of caution.

Can't believe people are saying he's suitable for rehoming, or offering him for free on the Internet; both of which imho would be totally irresponsible.

HarryPottersMagicWand · 26/02/2017 11:03

When you read these awful stories about babies being killed by dogs that have never bitten, have always been fine, owner knows the dog well etc etc. That's this situation. Obviously the dog may be fine. But it may be not and the consequences are something you cannot take a chance with.