Fox says MN is a no go zone. Trump agrees. So it must be true.Trump thread continued.

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The map of the world according to who every country thinks is most dangerous

www.indy100.com/article/map-of-nations-question-which-country-largest-threat-world-peace-donald-trump-7590086

It’s important to remember that this data is a couple of years old – and therefore doesn’t take into account Donald Trump….

So imagine if this was done now - I suspect there'd be a few more USA flags on there.

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Russia will target British troops when they are deployed to Estonia, the Baltic state’s spy chief has warned thetim.es/2lBquuj

Paul Flynn, Labour MP, when asked the exact same question by the odious Rees-Mogg about why no-one objected when Mugabe, Hirihito etc visited (what a coincidence!) said something along the lines of his we shouldn't look to past mistakes to know how to behave - we should look forward and make sure we get it right this time.

Penn student newspaper debunks Trump’s reported claims of graduating top of his class

www.phillyvoice.com/penn-student-newspaper-debunks-trumps-claims-graduating-top-his-class/

All those intellectually challenged but entitled white boys in the 1980s, who were perplexed as to why girls were becoming feminists, are getting their modest thrills in the alt right now.
Pay back.

Why is US news reporting so good, and why is British so partial and bad?
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/21/british-media-brexit-test-american-reporters

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Sweden=perfect case study of Trump technique: 1) shout falsehood 2) pretend u didn't make a mistake 3) accuse fact-checkers of attacking u.

I did not sleep well last night, today is very foggy!

But I can easily see massive fatigue and shrugging in a few months from most people, and tiny waves of protests being drowned out by bots and hardcore enthusiasts.

It is exhausting. I find myself tired just thinking about the new stuff coming out this week from Trump and the GOP. I suppose to some extent that's what they're hoping for, that people will tire of fighting and slowly accept it.

Bigly placemarking.

I am reliably informed that Mme Tussauds has turned the waxen Trump into a monetised, managed photo op hmm so Rousette's daughter managed to flip him the bird just in the nick of time

Intellient... she needs to save that pic!

Now have a lot of catching up to do on this thread

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Sorry that post was for Illegitimate... crap typing from me this morn

All those saying state visits haven't been protested against before - it's just not true. Even George W had protests.

news.sky.com/story/five-controversial-state-visits-to-the-uk-10748635

The difference is that social media can spread the word much louder and wider and so more people know and turn up. The online petitions are also able to be shared wider so more people can sign so the threshold for debate can be reached much quicker.

This is a country where human rights and corrupt regimes are protested against and state visits should be seen as a privilege not a right. Trump's will go ahead but people will be angry & upset he has been awarded this special opportunity... and rightly so.

I sometimes think that in the UK we have become reliant on the BBC. It is such an institution and it had been taken for granted that it will provide a core of rigourous, relatively neutral reporting. This has allowed other news sources to sort of play around the edges, just worrying about their own agendas and not have to get serious as in the end they figure the BBC will always be there to make sure a basic free press can still exist. Unfortunately the BBC is now under huge threat from the Tory government. It is being torn apart from all sides and I fear it is afraid to ask hard questions that may put its very existence in doubt. I don't think it can necessarily provide the protection for the principal of free press it once did.

I may be corrected by people who know better, but my experience of American media is that the TV news at least is a lot more obviously partisan an political. It is also a much more equal playing field in a way as there isn't one dominant giant. I think this can at times result in a race to the bottom and mean there is a lack of a single high standard of unbiased reporting for everyone else to be held up against. On the other hand it has meant that when shit hits the fan they are not sitting back figuring someone else will take care of it. They know that there is no other institutions that will defend them if they don't.

*human rights violations

I'm pretty sure we're all 'for' human rights themselves...

Exactly sanfran. There was also protests about the China state visit

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34582136

The difference is that social media can spread the word much louder and wider and so more people know and turn up

This - so much easier to be informed and to spread the word.

I went on the protests about the Chinese visit. It went ahead but there were a LOT of people protesting.

The Fox thing is a symptom of the issues.

Someone in power should not rely on something as obviously biased as that Fox interview to reinforce their views and to spread them.

It's that simple. It's what probably happened with the Iraq wars. Listen to what you want to hear and then act on it.

At least the dossier in the Iraq war was presented by the intelligence community. If Trump acts because he saw a report on Fox,that is a massive issue. He could get his intelligence agencies to ask him for a report on the issue - and trust them to tell him what is happening - and how far the Fox reports represent reality.

People who say - well Sweden does have issues are missing the BIGGER picture.

Trump saw something on TV, It suited his views, He repeated it to the masses.

A President or Prime Minister shouldn't do that.

I care massively what is going on here, in Europe and in the US- the rise of intolerance it will affect all of us even if we never leave the UK. Even if it didn't affect me, it's WRONG. We should resist.
It's very scary. First they came, etc

If I was SNL, I would do a very simple, very powerful sketch.

Trump watching TV.
Trump sees something.
Trump acts on it.
Then the consequences.

Spitting Image could do that.

Not directly about Trump, but very related to his 'movement'.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/20/identity-trap-freedom-cost-diane-abbott-gender-race?CMP=share_btn_tw

And protests are a valuable tradition of democracy, are they not? If you choose not to protest - or sit back and refuse, in any way, to add your voice to the effort of change - then that is a kind of passivity I find difficult to accept.

Actually it's a really good point about the BBC.

If all news channels were effectively separate political ideology groups shouting out views on stuff going on, we'd be dubious too.

In his speech Trump directly linked Sweden to the idea that refugees are being let into the US without documentation or vetting. He linked together two spurious claims to create the narrative that all refugees are dangerous.

Going back to whether this should matter to the UK, refugees are an international problem. I can escape the effect of American gun laws by not going to America. I can't escape the effect of Trump's refugee policy.