To really wish someone other than Tony Blair had asked us to rise up against brexit?

[DeviTheGaelet]

Can't see a thread about this. And yes I know there is a brexit topic but I wanted to post in AIBU to see what people thought. If you don't want to read about brexit and have no opinion click away now.
Tony Blair is urging remainers to rise up against brexit because we didn't know what we were voting for and it's going to be disastrous for the country.
I totally agree it's a disaster and I think it's shocking we can plunge into the unknown when only just over 50% of voters voted for it in an advisory referendum with a campaign based on lies. I've been desperate for a political party to get behind on a remain ticket.
But why the fuck does it have to be Tony Blair, the man who totally ignored strong public feeling on Iraq who says this? Where are the opposition in parliament?

I agree mummy, I am sure remainers can see what has happened as outlined itinerary post and admitIT. IF I thought remainers were thick and stupid I would say it. Many good friends are and dh is.

This talk of resilience, or lack of it, is ridiculous. It's a very handy weapon to fall back on though - anyone who dares to express concern/worry about heading into the unknown is lacking in resilience . Ok then. It also amazes me that for some people 'Britishness' is such a vulnerable quality that it is threatened by a few number plates with a certain symbol on them.

Very true. I was extremely worried about heading into unknown eu club with Misson creep too encompass ever further union. Not democratically voted for and with mad dictator at the helm.

Being an EU Citizen confers the right to live, work and study in EU countries and to travel freely between them. Nobody is forced to do any of these things, but the opportunity is there if you choose to take advantage of it. If you don't, then it doesn't really affect you. However, having EU citizenship taken away does impinge on the lives of those people who would like to take advantage of the opportunities.

Who is this mad dictator supposed to be? Significant constitutional changes have to be approved by individual member states. One minute leavers are complaining about EU bureaucracy being too cumbersome because things have to be approved by so many countries, the next it's a dictatorship forcing thongs upon us.

They're forcing thongs upon us? That's a step too far! Bloody Europeans and their bloody skimpy lacy lingerie...

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Oops! I may have had to vote leave if there was enforced wearing of thongs..... Nothing would be worth an eternal wedgie....

I don't want to fall into the trap that the remoaners are in - saying that anyone that cant see what the situation is must be stupid, ignorant etc etc......everyone sees different things in different ways. some people like the idea of everything being done and organised for them, others don't. For me, the biggest issue is resilience. its about being able to effect change in your life due to changing circumstances. this is probably a sweeping generalisation but I do wonder if this lack of resilience, this not being able to trust that there is another option that you can take, is a generational thing.

Hmm. See I see that whole paragraph as saying "remoaners" are ignorant with a bit of ageism thrown in. Stop being so smug.

It isn't about resilience at all. It's about believing the decision will make life on the UK materially worse.
What's happening in the US with Trump unilaterally ripping up environmental laws can't happen here while we are part of the EU. We have workers rights and food standards that have been applied for the common good, those I'm sure will get rolled back rapidly once we actually leave.
It's not a "lack of resilience" that is my problem at all.

mummymeister www.princeton.edu/~amoravcs/library/regional.doc

I've had shitty times in my life (who hasn't?) including long term childhood abuse, unemployment, anxiety, MH issues for years and autism (which really doesn't help me enjoy life sometimes).

But now I'm married, have a steady job, 2 degrees and a savings account. I am resilient, trust me, and like many I'll survive what's coming, short of an apocalypse.

I'm not a "remoaner" for objecting to what's coming, or thinking it shouldn't have been decided by one ill-informed referendum. Using a word like that to dismiss people is ignorant. Using a process like this to make such huge decisions is unbelievable. There's been more due process, consultation and decision-making at my workplace over a branding exercise and logo for god's sake.

I thought the EU was great before all the eastern bloc countries joined in fact i worked in France for a summer to get better French.Who on earth would want to learn Bulgarian or Romanian and work there. It seems out of balance with poverty stricken countries grabbing more at ours and 4 others expense news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8036097.stm

Have a look when adjusted for net population. The "eastern bloc" are not grabbing "more at our expense". Greece is by far the biggest beneficiary, followed by Portugal. Romania and Bulgaria are receiving least out of all the countries that are net beneficiaries.
You sound xenophobic.

It was never about greatness or even economic prosperity. It was unity and peace and avoiding another world war. You can't put a financial figure on some things.

At least he's standing up. And talking complete sense.

Where the fuck is Cameron? The man who started this all.

Devi I am most certainly not being smug. The resilience of country is determined by how resilient its individuals are. you cant say a country isn't resilient only that the individuals who make up the country aren't.

if you believe that brexit will make life worse then that is up to you. what I am talking about is not making this a self fulfilling prophesy. everyone doing what they can individually and collective to make it not worse.

do you really see the UK electing someone like Trump? Why is he being so demonised, he isn't a war monger like Bleurgh was. yes, I see there is loads about him that is abhorrent but you have to ask why he appeals to the people that he does.

why do we always assume that things will get rolled back rapidly. Look at the timescales. 2 years to get out, another year for it to shake down then an election and you can campaign to vote in a party that wont repeal all of these things.

again its just all so negative all the time. things change. we have to change to accommodate them. starting planning for that and not sitting in the corner wringing your hands over it.

It might have started off being about avoiding a world war, but now it is about world domination. Not attractive whichever country or borderless entity is talking about it.

if it is just a trade group why does it need an army, an anthem, a flag?

you cant say a country isn't resilient only that the individuals who make up the country aren't.

But that's the problem in my view. While I believe that I am personally resilient, I don't think that the UK population as a whole is. Ironically, many of the reasons that are often cited as having led to the Brexit vote are evidence of this. As a country, we haven't adapted effectively to the modern, globalised world, and this has led to people feeling that they have been left behind.

The so-called liberal elites will cope with Brexit just fine. It is those at the other end of the spectrum, who have already struggled to adapt to the changing nature of our economy and our society, who will suffer the most in a major economic downturn. Sadly, many just don't have the skills or the resources to weather the storm.

Again and again we will not think like you. Sorry if they makes you cross.

Or that makes you cross even.

Agree with broken. Trump shows how easy it is for an elected leader to roll back laws etc once in power and how "non resilient" a country can be. He's only been in a month and has already done many things I find abhorrent (such as the travel ban, the clean water laws, the abortion stuff). He and his government also have strong fascist leanings. Being in the EU provides a level of protection from that as all states have to agree legislation. In fact my grandparents (in their 90s, lived through WW2) are staunch retainers purely because of the brakes the EU would put on another leader like Hitler.
Whether or not I am thinking positively is neither here nor there to the success of brexit.

Yes but at least the remainers had some good ones

Yes but at least the remainers had some good ones

Tbf so did the leavers