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It's a bigly Trump thread. Another beauty. But you don't need to know what's in it. I don't have to tell you. So there.

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amispartacus · 16/02/2017 22:37

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2855213-You-can-read-this-thread-anywhere-Even-in-a-Florida-resort-Its-a-secure-thread-Trump-cont

There was a press conference. It was interesting.

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cozietoesie · 17/02/2017 13:48

I never thought that the 'heartland' would change their minds enough - if at all. They have too much emotionally invested in it. What is needed is to reach the people who genuinely 'don't know'.

cozietoesie · 17/02/2017 13:50

Talking of which, it was interesting to see the reaction of some of the GOPers on the Hill, last night. They know this isn't right.

CaveMum · 17/02/2017 13:50

Ye gods, apparently Trump is looking at putting a known anti-vaxxer in charge of a commission to investigate autism

www.scarymommy.com/hey-trump-the-rest-of-us-believe-in-vaccines-and-its-time-you-got-on-board-too/?utm_source=FB

pinboard · 17/02/2017 13:52

Bigley
"... rambling refusal to give actual answers benefits him because whatever truth his support commits to can become what he is saying. So he says they are going to have a great tax plan, we ask what that means, his group of supporters just believe that what he means is what they mean."

I see a parallel to that in general politics but also in the Brexit stuff too.

So, he is really doing 'what all politicians do' but to a more extreme level.
He is being deliberately vague and letting supporters 'fill in the gaps' in their own minds re details.

But I still think there are Cult overtones too.
(but I don't have an MA in that sort of thing)
thanks for your post, it is really interesting.

To defeat Trump we must understand his methods and why they appeal!

Anniegetyourgun · 17/02/2017 13:53

That he's somehow understood that repeating things loudly, using very simple words, has a kind of hypnotic effect on people

Like this...

cozietoesie · 17/02/2017 13:58

Across

Are the Dems of your acquaintance talking about the next election yet? (I refuse to call it a 'mid-term'. Grin)

helzapoppin2 · 17/02/2017 14:00

All those vague, dark allusions to "very, very bad things" that apparently he knows about, but we don't, are made to play on people's paranoia as well.
I inwardly scream " Tell us what they are!"

Lweji · 17/02/2017 14:03

Donald J. Trump ‏*@realDonaldTrump* 44m44 minutes ago
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General Keith Kellogg, who I have known for a long time, is very much in play for NSA - as are three others.

So, he won't say how they are addressing those missile deployments, or the big ship off the coast of the US, but he is keeping people updated on how many people are in play for the NSA?

MsHooliesCardigan · 17/02/2017 14:04

Bigly That's really interesting but isn't Trump's following too big to class it as a subculture? I've known Scientologists and JWs who are so extreme that I consider them to have been brainwashed but they are statistically tiny groups so see themselves as having to stick together against the big bad majority of the population. I don't doubt for a second that what you're saying is true for some Trump supporters but I hope that many of them are not completely brainwashed and able to wake up and see him for what it is.

cozietoesie · 17/02/2017 14:05

It's a sort of 'Don't worry your pretty little head about it', helza. 'Daddy knows - because he's president now - but he'll protect you.'

Lweji · 17/02/2017 14:08

That he's somehow understood that repeating things loudly, using very simple words, has a kind of hypnotic effect on people

He probably thinks he's Obi Wan.

It's a bigly Trump thread. Another beauty. But you don't need to know what's in it. I don't have to tell you. So there.
pinboard · 17/02/2017 14:12

helza but he cant tell us, or we wouldn't need him as our great protector any more... he IS Cult-ish in his traits...

helzapoppin2 · 17/02/2017 14:18

His language reminds me of an evangelical preacher, I guess that's cultish!

BiglyBadgers · 17/02/2017 14:18

I think there is a distinction between a subcultural group and a cult. I wouldn't call it a cult yet as this is generally a religious movement and while I think he could get all 'one true leader' about things I wouldn't say he had gone that far quite yet. It is a grey area though and there is no real definition of what constitutes a new religious movement or NRM. There is a lot of overlap between a strong subcultural group such as football supporters for example and new religious movements and many argue that supporting a football team is akin to being part of a religion. The only difference is the lack of religious ideas.

helzapoppin2 · 17/02/2017 14:20

Sorry, no offence to any evangelicals on here, it's just the vague references to evil goings on we wouldn't understand. I really miss Obama's common sense!

BiglyBadgers · 17/02/2017 14:25

Bigly That's really interesting but isn't Trump's following too big to class it as a subculture?

That is what makes it really interesting. You can say that they are no longer a subculture because they are now in power and no longer the minority, but Trump and his followers still use the narritives and ideas that a subculture would use to define themselves. It is as if he is trying to maintain the myths of a repressed minority even while he is claiming to be the majority. I think that is why it seems to jarring from the outside.

MsHooliesCardigan · 17/02/2017 14:25

I can't look at pictures or footage of the Obamas without wanting to burst into tears 😭

Roussette · 17/02/2017 14:27

Brilliant post Jessicake. I agree... how dare he speak to people like this. It was beyond rude. The press pack were being deferential (despite not wanting to) and yet he was demeaning them, and when it got to the jewish guy and how he spoke to him, I wanted to give the orange one a big fat knuckle sandwich.

Anyway, back to catching up on this thread....

Lweji · 17/02/2017 14:30

Where's the interview with Flynn in the taxi/limo, as he walked out of the WH after being fired?

We need these reality TV moments.

MsHooliesCardigan · 17/02/2017 14:30

Bigly Yes, that's it exactly. It's the way he's trying to claim that he's a trailblazer for the poor downtrodden little people whilst signing EOs which are going to make life awful for many of those people.
His big selling point has been being Anti Establishment but he is the Establishment now, more than ever.

cozietoesie · 17/02/2017 14:30

He treats the American people like 'babies', Roussette. That's a bad assumption.

Roussette · 17/02/2017 14:48

Bigly that is SUCH an interesting post about the sub culture, thank you.

cozietoesie · 17/02/2017 14:50

Dear Goodness. My language is deteriorating to match his.

For 'bad', read 'misguided'.

FakeNameChangePeople · 17/02/2017 14:59

My dad is like Trump. I mean, like how Trump seems to be, except my dad isn't rich/powerful.

That whole thing about his people saying stupid things publicly, not because they believe it or expect others to, but for Trump's approval....That's my family dynamic.

If he's anything like my dad, then he will simply not give up on his grudges and crusades against certain people. He'll easily change his thinking on a subject, even with the same sentence, but grudges? No way. The only way he'd back down on that is if someone seemed contrite and had appeared to fall into line. And even then he'd remain suspicious.

And he would require those around him to feed into his thinking, leading it to become more entrenched and extreme.

Even if you call someone like him on his behaviour, he will defend it, minimise it, gas light etc. Even if you showed all the proof in the world, he'd do the magical thinking thing and ignore anything that doesn't fit the story he tells himself.

The only way to handle someone like him is to ignore them. To do the grey rock thing. But there's real problems with that.

  • Firstly, someone like that would tend to escalate and test boundaries for quite some time to try and get a reaction. The idea of the SCROTUS doing that is very scary.
  • Secondly, unlike normal people, it's not like the whole world can do the grey rock thing, is it? He'll get attention from somewhere, and do what it takes to get that attention.

I find his appearances very triggering. And if his family life was anything like mine growing up, you either drink the Kool Aid (at least to his face) and never let him find you being disloyal, walk on eggshells waiting for the eruption, never know what you're supposed to believe today until he tells you...or you expect blazing rows, rage, and being scapegoated as the black sheep in the family, with nothing you do ever being good enough.

Roussette · 17/02/2017 15:00

Hmmm.... I remember pre-election calling it a cult to claig, and he went a bit nuclear...