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To ask you to help me argue with an anti-vaxxer on fb

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GoesDownLikeACupOfColdSick · 11/02/2017 21:24

I know, I know. But it's Saturday night, DP is out and I am just home whilst our (fully vaccinated!) DD is asleep.

What do I say to someone who is convinced that we should all do our own research, that vaccines are only about big pharma making big bucks, and that the govt hushes up vaccine damage??

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GoesDownLikeACupOfColdSick · 14/02/2017 17:47

Ok. So even if we set aside the lack of any medical and immunology experience, do you think the general public has the same experience when you recommend doing their own research to them? Or do you think that your skill set gives you additional tools?

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HughJarss · 14/02/2017 18:15
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To ask you to help me argue with an anti-vaxxer on fb
CoteDAzur · 14/02/2017 18:17

I have never come across an adult who believes she can't give informed consent Shock

What happened to you, OP?

mycatwantstokillme1 · 14/02/2017 18:18

GoesDownLikeACupOfColdSick

living up to your name - some of your replies are pretty rude.

CoteDAzur · 14/02/2017 18:18

Please answer my questions.

Why is MMR optional while many other vaccines are not?

What does the word "optional" mean?

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GoesDownLikeACupOfColdSick · 14/02/2017 18:21

Ah Cote. Your interpretation of "optional" is fuck everyone else, MY kid needs to get diseases. We've covered this. Not feeding you any more of your Biscuits love!

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ollieplimsoles · 14/02/2017 18:25

Cote what the fuck are you talking about?

ALL vaccines are optional... You don't have to have them Confused

lljkk · 14/02/2017 18:29

Devilishpyjamas is on these threads often to say her younger children are not vaxxed & she has full support of health professionals to do that. If that's not optional, what is.

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GoesDownLikeACupOfColdSick · 14/02/2017 18:30

Great contribution cat!

As for informed consent - well, I spoke to my GP. I spoke to an immunologist. I spoke to a paediatric consultant. I listened to them and I was nervous because giving a child jabs is a scary thing, but I took their advice.

I call that doing research and giving informed consent. not sure what has to happen to you to think that an unrelated degree makes you more of an expert, but it's clearly convinced you. which would be funny if the consequences weren't potentially serious for someone, and you'll never know if they were or weren't.

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Devilishpyjamas · 14/02/2017 18:46

How do you feel about the vaccinated child who gave mine rubella goes? Mum took him out everywhere as she didn't think he could have rubella after vaccination. Whose responsibility is it to know that actually they don't always work.

Actually ds1 had a rash that looked like measles. I was told to bring him to OOH then put in a waiting room bursting at the seams. I objected do was put in a waiting room with a tiny baby :head meet wall:

I was then told it looked like measles but couldn't be as my son had had a measles vaccination. Hmm

MimiTheWonderGoat · 14/02/2017 18:50

As for informed consent - well, I spoke to my GP. I spoke to an immunologist. I spoke to a paediatric consultant. I listened to them and I was nervous because giving a child jabs is a scary thing, but I took their advice.

So you did do your own research and made the choice that you thought was right for your child. SO what the heck has this entire thread been about then FFS??!!!

MimiTheWonderGoat · 14/02/2017 18:51

And why, if you were obviously completely capable of doing research, are you convinced that nobody else is capable or should bother? I am sooooo confused right now!

MsJamieFraser · 14/02/2017 18:52

Going by your OP I agree with him, you should be doing your own research before about the chemical and vaccines your allowing to be injected into your child and tbh pharmaceuticals are making big bucks.

MimiTheWonderGoat · 14/02/2017 18:55

OP obviously thinks that when an anti vaxxer says "Do your research!" they mean set up a statistical experimental!

MimiTheWonderGoat · 14/02/2017 18:55

Experimental!? You know what I mean!

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GoesDownLikeACupOfColdSick · 14/02/2017 19:20

Because that isn't doing the research myself - it's asking an expert!!!

Head.

Table.

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mycatwantstokillme1 · 14/02/2017 19:32

Well OP, you said you can't argue with stupid. I say you can't argue with rude and patronising. Thought my contribution might give you some self awareness but obviously not.

bumbleymummy · 14/02/2017 19:35

Why do you assume that the gp/nurse is an expert on vaccines? I doubt many of them would claim to be.

saveforthat · 14/02/2017 19:40

I opened this thread thinking it was about people who didnt like wet and dry hoovers

BorrowedHeart · 14/02/2017 19:48

I'm an expert at the immune system, seeing as my daughters is compromised..

MimiTheWonderGoat · 14/02/2017 19:49

GoesDownLikeACupOfColdSick...you obviously did enough research to make your decision. That's more research than a lot of people do. You spoke to an immunologist and got answers to your questions that you were then satisfied with, I presume.

I spoke to our gp, pediatricians, vaccine manufacturers and got a load of bullshit twaddle, and was unsatisfied so turned to (official) websites, medical papers etc....and made my decision based on what I found out, based on the fact that we have strong family history of vaccine reactions and my daughter has severe allergies. Everybody's family history and health history is different and will come to different conclusions on the safety risk of vaccines. What is it about this that you still don't understand??

Up thread, all you have done is belittle anyone and be rude to anyone who has said they've done research....
You're an enigma!

BorrowedHeart · 14/02/2017 19:59

Nurses take orders and know enough to save a life in the moment, a doctor would be more informed. I'm sorry but I still think I know a fuck load more than you, and when it comes to a lot of things I honestly know a lot more than you. Can you pass an my tube? Can you remember doses, strengths and what each medicine will do? Do you know how to check if a tube has been passed correctly? Do you know how to check breaths and heart rate without a machine? Can you listen or tap someone's back or chest and tell if they have an infection? Can you change a tracheotomy on a wriggling screaming baby? Do you know what normal heart function looks like on an echocardiogram? Can you read ecg results? Do you know technical names for things rather than the easier common name? Do you know exactly what happens with a transplant? Do you know how to both read and control a ventilator machine? Do you know how to suction? Do you know how to give cpr and rescue breaths through a while in your child's throat? Do you understand which vaccines those with a suppressed immune system can and can't have? Do you know what pain relief those with a suppressed immune system can and can't have? I mean my list goes on, these things nurses can do and trained me on, I've also been trained by respiratory specialists and cardiologists. Tell me again now please how I don't know what I'm talking about?

lljkk · 14/02/2017 20:00

Gals, you're not having a useful conversation.

CoteDAzur · 14/02/2017 20:08

"ALL vaccines are optional... You don't have to have them"

A child can't go to school around these parts if they have not had the compulsory vaccines according to schedule. MMR is not one of those vaccines. That is what "the fuck" I'm talking about.

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GoesDownLikeACupOfColdSick · 14/02/2017 20:29

You think highly of your apparent abilities, borrowed. Good for you.

But you're not medically trained and you wouldn't be allowed near anyone else, however much you yammer on, on here!

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