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Landlord and 2 men let themselves in?

182 replies

IHaveAToiletBrush · 10/02/2017 08:06

Ok, we are moving out shortly 28 Feb I gave them notice as we are buying but I still feel they crossed the line. I have had my suspicions that someone was in the house Monday as things had been moved and things taken down off walls like photos etc but I couldn't prove it was them. Yesterday I was home upstairs minding my own business heard men talking downstairs rang dh to do if it was him and no he was still at work. I was about to ring 999 as I thought it was burglars just as I dailed they cheerful burst through bedroom door. They were as shocked as to see me as I was them but they just carried on walking room the house and told me like a child to go wait in the kitchen until they had finished. What are my rights here? What the fuck do I do now, I know it is only 3 weeks left but surely I have the right to feel save in my own home and right now I just don't.

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Tiredmumno1 · 10/02/2017 13:33

So glad the locks have been changed, and hopefully you are feeling a bit safer.

I hope he gets in a lot of trouble for what he has done, just can't believe he assaulted you, what a nasty horrid excuse for a man.

BrewFlowers

TheCatsMother99 · 10/02/2017 13:41

mix56 , are you seriously saying the op should keep quiet about being assaulted amongst other things for the sake of a deposit.

Jesus christ.

tiggersreturn · 10/02/2017 13:42

Glad you feel safer. Remember if he does try to force entry this is criminal damage and breaking and entering both of which are crimes not civil offences.

Flipthebirdy · 10/02/2017 13:51

Okay the photos were not on the walls...like you initially said they were....okay.

Log the incidents with 101. Block the door with something. If you applied for the tenancy via an estate agent report him to the estate agent. If they are reputable they probably will not want anything to do with him again.

WaryMary · 10/02/2017 14:32

I hope the police go and arrest him. That's awful

AshesandDust · 10/02/2017 14:43

Hope you're ok, OP. In your shoes I would look into getting a security camera
set up. You can get portable ones quite reasonably priced that don't need to be fixed in place so you could take it with you.
It would give you some peace of mind because at the moment it's a, he said she said, situation.
I'd also make sure not to give my forwarding address to the bastard landlord too - maybe give the address of a male friend.

Dumdedumdedum · 10/02/2017 14:46

As a landlord myself, I can't understand this behaviour. It's outrageous. Particularly as the OP seems to also have been obliging enough to do, or put up with, 12 viewings so far, if I understood correctly. When we were in the area, we asked our tenants politely, a week or so ahead of time, if they would mind our having a look at the flat they were renting from us, as we'd had a lot of work done and hadn't seen the completed flat. They were kind enough to welcome us in, show us round, and give us a cup of tea. We would not have dreamed of getting hold of keys to let ourselves in without notice.

Bestthingever · 10/02/2017 14:48

Op this is awful. You must have been terrified. I remember I had a landlord who behaved like a prick when I gave notice to leave. He barged in the day before I left shouting at me. I actually had workmen in the flat dismantling my satellite dish so I felt a bit safer but I was really upset. My boyfriend (now dh) got stuck at work and when he eventually called the ll to ask what the fuck he was playing at, he told him I 'shouldn't mess with him because he could make my life difficult'. I had no idea that I actually had a right to not grant him entry as I was 23 and stupid! I really feel for you and I hope the police are useful.

Beeziekn33ze · 10/02/2017 15:03

Awful for you, OP, glad you've taken people's advice to contact the police. They are probably aware of this bullying LL already. 💐

girlelephant · 10/02/2017 15:10

OP this is horrendous. At least you have the locks changed now & hope the olive have now arrived

Dumdedumdedum · 10/02/2017 15:37

girlelephant - "olive" is so much nicer a typo/synonym for "police" than "pigs" Grin Wink

girlelephant · 10/02/2017 15:53

🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈

Formerpigwrestler9 · 10/02/2017 15:53

keep detailed records!

Formerpigwrestler9 · 10/02/2017 16:08

a landlord who behaves like that is likely not on the straight and narrow when it comes to the information he gives to HMRC, you might want to make a few phone calls once you've moved out and the dust has settled

barinatxe · 10/02/2017 16:15

What a shit situation. I know how this feels, my former landlord did the same thing. I kept wondering why my stuff was not where I thought I'd left it - so I set up a webcam to record during the day. Sure enough, the landlord (who turned out to be selling) was coming in, moving my furniture to make the place look bigger, taking photographs, then putting things back to how (he thought) they were.

I complained to the agency (not an option for you) with the evidence and they told me they would deal with him. So guess what? A couple of weeks later I got home to find an estate agent showing people around my home!

The trouble is there is fuck all you can really do. He has no right to come in, he is in breach of the tenancy agreement. In theory you could take him to court - but what would you gain? How can you quantify the damage he is causing when it is psychological?

I had the exact same experience as you on another occasion - I was in, the key was in the door, the landlord pushed his key in knocking mine out. Assuming it's a traditional deadlock-type door, if you lock it and then slightly turn the key (there's usually a bit of give before it begins to actually unlock), it is impossible to push or pull out until being turned back to the proper locked/unlocked position.

You could change the locks but this can be expensive unless you know how to do it yourself. The landlord would be livid but he's not likely to take you to court within three weeks (even if the tenancy agreement says you are not allowed to do it).

You could write a letter to your landlord instructing him not to enter your property without your prior written consent. Send it recorded so you can prove he received it. Tell him that any further incident will be treated as trespassing (because it is) and that you will contact the police and/or take legal action. It might make him think it is better to wait it out rather than force your hand.

If you find him in your home again, call 999 and say there's an intruder. If you get home and find he has been in but now left, phone the police and report that someone has been in your home unlawfully. If possible, set up a webcam to record evidence.

Rogue landlords like this are the scum of the earth (worse than an RMT official). Try to hold on to the fact that in 18 days this landlord won't be a worry to you any longer.

CatSittingMonkey · 10/02/2017 16:48

I feel angry on your behalf OP, your LL is appalling.

I can't believe he assaulted you in your own home, in addition to the unlawful entry.

Please don't minimise the assault to the police.

Noone should be made to feel unsafe in their own home. Goodluck!

GreenGinger2 · 10/02/2017 17:31

Same happened to us.

Landlord came in with two workmen without permission and damaged our brand new fridge and TV whilst we were out. Literally nothing we could do. We had the last laugh though. He gave us a months notice at Christmas,then changed his mind. We kept to it and had him whining down the phone saying "how am I going to pay my mortgage."Confused

Formerpigwrestler9 · 10/02/2017 17:33

how am I going to pay my mortgage
what a plonker, completely unprofessional! :(

kittybiscuits · 10/02/2017 17:39

I hope you reported the thefts to the police as well. I'm not surprised that you didn't know how the fuck to react, especially since he is also violent.

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 10/02/2017 17:55

Completely agree with those who said you should speak to HMRC once you're out of there. Don't let him know where you're moving to either - he sounds unbalanced - who throws out a child's coat? Not only is that criminal and intimidating, it's weird.

MargotMoon · 10/02/2017 18:15

OP, you should probably film everything on your phone (assuming you have a smart phone) if he comes back. I really feel for youFlowers

Mix56 · 11/02/2017 09:12

Sorry, didn't see the 2nd visit from LL post !
Glad husband has changed the locks.

justilou · 11/02/2017 14:57

Just checking if you are okay, OP. I imagine you're very shocked. I hope you are being looked after right now, and that the police are being helpful.

bibbetybobbetybooo · 11/02/2017 15:27

This is awful. Really hope you're ok, OP. He has no right to access the property whenever he wishes. Make sure you report the assault fully to the police.

KnittedBlanketHoles · 11/02/2017 16:48

I hope the police take the assault seriously. What a twat.