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To wonder if you're one of the older members of a large family you ever stop and think

572 replies

PlayOnWurtz · 05/02/2017 12:33

No more kids please mum and dad!

How much were you expected to do to support them?

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SingingInTheRainstorm · 09/02/2017 02:29

If the older ones are losing out because their parents expect unreasonable amounts of help, then yes.

If the parents do the bulk of looking after all the children, the older ones only having the odd chore then unless it was cramped, it wouldn't be an issue.

If you look back to Victorian/Edwardian times, large families lived quite well in 2/3 bed houses. So I guess you get used to it. Having younger siblings is the best form of contraception going.

ElsBelz · 09/02/2017 09:19

They still climb into bed in the morning (yes, partners and friends sometimes do likewise), still help themselves to our bathroom and assume we can get ready around them.

Crumbs, Your adult children are in their 20s, in relationships, and they still climb into your bed, with their partners or friends in tow? You have multiple bathrooms yet your adult children still use your bathroom when you and your husband are using it?

Our family isn't particularly big on privacy in terms of bodies and all are comfortable with being naked in front of us/siblings.

It’s not just privacy your family is easy with, it’s boundaries too. I don’t view my 25 year old daughter and her 27 year boyfriend getting into bed with me and my husband in the morning, then hanging around while we shower and dress, as some kind of show of how comfortable we all are with each other’s nakedness. No, I view it as weird and a total lack of healthy boundaries.

Absolutely, I would argue though, as an only, that at least if my kids want to ignore their sibling(s) at any point that option is available to them. I can't decide to just get myself a brother/sister though.

HaveCourage. I disagree. I was one of six, my best childhood friend was an only child. She loved coming to my house, I loved going to hers. I think it is normal to want and miss what you don’t have. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Now as adults though we both agree she had it easier. I simply couldn’t ignore my siblings. There was no space there to do that. The same goes for them ignoring me, they couldn’t. 8 people, 1 livingroom, 1 kitchen, 3 bedrooms, 1 bathroom. There is no option to ignore siblings. It is a total impossibility. It’s 24-7, 365 days a year hectic. Her parents however went out of their way to provide company for her as much as they possibly could. She had many cousins who were always over at her house. She had myself and a few other friends who loved her house and parents and were there often. She was always welcome at ours. She was always welcome at her aunts and uncles. She was always in and out playing and having dinner and sleeping over with neighbours kids. I am not saying either of our situations were the ideal situation either of us would have chosen. No. I think both of us would have chosen 1 or 2 siblings each. But ask her now would she rather have grown up in my overcrowded 6 child home or in your very quiet 1 child home and she will readily admit that she’d stick with her lot.

As an adult I can easily surround myself with friends and family and have a busy home and social life IF I choose. I could have guests over to stay as often as I choose. I could make my home a social hub that was buzzing with activity. But I couldn’t cram 8 people permanently into my 3 bedroom home and ever expect to get any privacy for any of us. I can create a social life, I can create lots of things to do with lots of people. I cannot create space.

Your “my kids can just ignore their siblings” only really works if they have an own bedroom each and sharing bathroom with no more than 2 or 3 people. Even then, depending on how many children you have, your time and energy is so divided that when they are being deprived of parental time and attention, ignoring their siblings doesn’t really solve anything. They could have 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms each, but if mum and dad are too busy and knackered all the time, well space doesn’t compensate everything. As time and energy (like space) can’t be created.

Rugbyplayersarehot · 09/02/2017 09:41

I think if a new partner of mine expected me to jump into bed and get naked with his parents I might dial 999 for help and run for the hills.

What the actual fuck goes on crumbs

treaclesoda · 09/02/2017 10:35

I can't get advanced search to work. Which is very disappointing as I want to read all about Crumbs living in a hotel Sad

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 09/02/2017 11:20

They still climb into bed in the morning (yes, partners and friends sometimes do likewise)

Shock serious boundary crossing there.

CaraAspen · 09/02/2017 11:38

"treaclesoda

I can't get advanced search to work. Which is very disappointing as I want to read all about Crumbs living in a hotel sad"

I think you have misunderstood. On a thread called "Show me your bedroom" - orxwords tonthdtteffdct
treaclesoda

I can't get advanced search to work. Which is very disappointing as I want to read all about Crumbs living in a hotel sad"

In a thread called "Show me your bedroom" - or something similar - the poster to whom you are referring posted a pic of her bedroom, only another poster discovered it had been taken from the website of a French hotel!!

CaraAspen · 09/02/2017 11:39

"treaclesoda

I can't get advanced search to work. Which is very disappointing as I want to read all about Crumbs living in a hotel sad"

In a thread called "Show me your bedroom" - or something similar - the poster to whom you are referring, posted a pic of her bedroom, only another poster discovered it had been taken from the website of a French hotel!!

CaraAspen · 09/02/2017 11:40

Less garbled version above!

treaclesoda · 09/02/2017 11:54

Thank you Cara.

Why do people do these things? Do they actually enjoy making a fool of themselves? Confused

splendide · 09/02/2017 12:05

Crumbs also had some bullshit about her kids' scholarships. It's presumably all nonsense on this thread too.

Rugbyplayersarehot · 09/02/2017 12:29

Come back crums stop being naked and chatting to your dds partners. Grin

starsorwater · 09/02/2017 13:14

Think Crumbs is a gerbil. The scent (and no fish knives) gave it away, anyway, hamsters wouldn't put up with the bed sharing.

Rugbyplayersarehot · 09/02/2017 14:02

By your way has anyone read 'The chalet school' stories. If you know Jo Maynard you will get this thread. Smile

FineLookingHighHorse · 09/02/2017 18:10

Cara

You presumably think that as I have five children that it is your right to therefore refer to them as a 'clutch of sprogs '

Why do you imagine people here would feel "bitter" about not producing a clutch of sprogs!? Au contraire, most parents would be horrified if they were landed with that. Actually, it's the stuff of nightmares

It is in fact supremely rude and rather revealing of your lack of basic decorum and flawed character.

You have made yourself seem extremely foolish by denigrating the very children whom you are presumably attempting to convince me will have an awful enough childhood as it is, what with there being five of them.

Out of interest, exactly how many siblings must another person's child have to be referred to as a sprog?

MagicChicken · 09/02/2017 20:06

Since when is referring to children as sprogs 'supremely rude' and revealing of a lack of basic decorum and flawed character? Confused

She called them a clutch of sprogs, not a clutch of cunts.

FineLookingHighHorse · 09/02/2017 20:44

Well look, if you're satisfied with random women on the internet referring to your children in such terms, then I concur that you may not find it rude.

Still, we all have our standards and such behaviour falls woefully short of mine.

I find it supremely disingenuous to appear to champion the plight of the "poor, neglected children from large families" whilst simultaneously referring to them in less than complimentary terms.

If you don't recognise the dissonance inherent in such comments then I certainly hope that its because you don't want to.

The alternative would be most unfortunate for you.

CaraAspen · 09/02/2017 22:01

"MagicChicken

Since when is referring to children as sprogs 'supremely rude' and revealing of a lack of basic decorum and flawed character? confused

She called them a clutch of sprogs, not a clutch of cunts."

Quite so. Perhaps she is unable to differentiate between one word and another.

CaraAspen · 09/02/2017 22:02

In any case, shrill women do not deserve to be responded to.

CaraAspen · 09/02/2017 22:04

Flawed character!? Hahahaha
Hyperbolic much??

Magzmarsh · 09/02/2017 22:09

Did you get a thesaurus for Christmas high horse? Honestly, Russell Brand is less polysyllabic than you, contrary to what you might think it doesn't make you sound intelligent, just pompous. And sprogs isn't derogatory, most people use it as a term of endearment.

FineLookingHighHorse · 09/02/2017 22:26

You're quite an simple person really, aren't you Cara?
I have no problem with you on that account but must you really be quite so unsavoury?

Sprogs as a term of endearment? Honestly, if you're bringing up your children to labour under such misconceptions and/or in such circles then I'm afraid that I really do despair of you.

CaraAspen · 09/02/2017 22:31

"Sprogs as a term of endearment?"
Try to the posts carefully. Comprehension is clearly not your strong point.

And do stop
being so defensive; if you wish to have as many sprogs as possible - for whatever reason - don't let anyone here stop you. Do continue. Well done you. Have another one for the planet!

Magzmarsh · 09/02/2017 22:31

The last post wasn't written by cara, if you can't accept that more than one poster opposes your views I don't think you should type verbose claptrap on an Internet forum love 😎😋

CaraAspen · 09/02/2017 22:32

"CaraAspen

"Sprogs as a term of endearment?"
Try to the posts carefully. Comprehension is clearly not your strong point.

And do stop being so defensive; if you wish to have as many sprogs as possible - for whatever reason - don't let anyone here stop you. Do continue. Well done you. Have another one for the planet!