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To ask scots if they actually like Nicola sturgeon

917 replies

Karen85 · 03/02/2017 13:24

Just out of curiosity really because she and her voice make me cringe when i hear her on tv or radio.

Love scots though please don't get me wrong.

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MintChocAddict · 04/02/2017 12:22

Calyx72 Ah yes oil!
The plan to rely on oil in an independent Scotland went well. Aberdeen's foodbanks are full of unemployed oil workers.
I probably have more in common and the same concerns as a person living in a city in England than I do with a fish farmer in the North of Scotland or a person living and working in a rural area of the Borders.
We're really not all that different from the rest of the UK or rUK (nice term that) despite what the nationalist agenda tries to have us believe.
Wha's like us? Well lots of people actually and believe it or not they're not all Scottish Wink

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 04/02/2017 12:22

Lets not forget that the SNP have been in power for 10 years. 10 years in which we've seen a decline in most of the things that the SNP say that they are prioritising and that they have direct power over

Including some of the most opaque and badly written legislation I've seen in all the years I've been practising law.

Private housing legislation now has 10 separate statutes, some mixing public sector and private , several which are only partly in force and countless statutory instruments to back it up. Crofting and agriculture is just as bad.

These are 3 key sectors affecting ordinary people's lives and business and the legislation is fragmented and ridiculosly over complex.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 04/02/2017 12:30

It is interesting to note, however, that she barely ever talks about independence. It is the other parties who constantly harp on about it, and accuse her of it.

Are you joking? She has barely stopped wittering on about it since the indy ref- (and her arrogant refusal to accept that result is only 1 of many reasons to loathe her)

AddToBasket · 04/02/2017 12:33

She must be doing something right if we are all referring to her work on constitutional issues.

Her party has now been the main party in Scotland for a decade and it has been a slump. Business confidence is lower than rest of U.K. Entrepreneurship is lower. Education is behind. And they lack a backbone of economic understanding.

But, hey, we are all talking about independence. And their politicians can at least talk about that. Even if they don't know the first thing about finance.

WankersHacksandThieves · 04/02/2017 12:33

Mint, couldn't agree more.

In my council area there are approx 40K council tax payers. If they had charged even £1 a month they'd have had nearly half a million extra money to spend. I know the majority of council funding comes from central funds btw.

The priority based spending consultation often has services that are costing £10-25k to fund, a lot of those could have been saved.

It costs about £6500 to fund a breakfast club, make it totally free and you may be up to about £8000. The benefits to children in poverty of a decent breakfast, time to do homework, brush their teeth etc are huge, not to mention the support it would give to people wanting to work.

That's an easy thing that they could have spent money on, either money raised or money unspent that would vastly improve real children's lives. But nope they'd rather keep people using food banks and have children under attaining.

Bunch of gobshites.

celeste84 · 04/02/2017 12:34

At the end of the day its most likely going to be Spain that decides if Scotland have an independence referendum#2.

Calyx72 · 04/02/2017 12:37

What is the benefit for Scotland of being in the union please?

celeste84 · 04/02/2017 12:40

Secure currency for one.

Calyx72 · 04/02/2017 12:44

It's not secure though. And Scotland would have its own currency. Scotland's pound is currently more secure than England's.

celeste84 · 04/02/2017 12:48

If Scotland wishes to join the EU as an independent nation it would have to join the single Euro currency. And Scotland doesn't have a pound.

tempyuseynamey · 04/02/2017 12:52

can't stand her, her politics or her party having met several of them and found them all smug, full of their own importance. she's a total embarrassment to our country.

can't stand the way she moves her head when she speaks like she's about to nut you.

I really like Ruth Davidson though. She comes across as genuine, not false niceness/caring which is the impression I get from Nicola. Wee Nippy is only interested in herself.

MelinaMercury · 04/02/2017 12:52

In Scottish.

Can't stand her.

Calyx72 · 04/02/2017 12:54

It wouldn't have to join the Euro, plenty don't. It wouldn't need to be in the EU either if the Scots chose not to.

Old article but still valid:
www.businessforscotland.com/euro-pound-or-scottish-pound

celeste84 · 04/02/2017 12:57

Out of the EU and out of the UK? Hmm

Calyx72 · 04/02/2017 13:05

Celeste it's an option. As is out of the UK and in the EU. My point is, it would be Scotland's choice alone.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 04/02/2017 13:11

Calyx you have cited one biased, vested interest group for that assertion. New member states are expected to join the Euro. The question of what status an independent Scotland would have expected had in the EU was never settled. Nor of course was the question of what currency an independent Scotland would have had beyond bleating about it being " our pound " and childish threats to refuse to accept a part of the UK debt.

Out of the EU and out of the UK?

Indeed. That really makes sense.

About as much sense as thinking Scotland's voice on its own in the UK without the rest of the UK (and the rest of the UK's net contribution) would count for anything.

I voted No to independence and yes to remain. I will still vote no to independence.

celeste84 · 04/02/2017 13:16

Out of the EU and out the UK would be suicide.

Out of the UK and in the EU would mean taking on the Euro single currency, which is probably about to faulter again this year when Italy finally declares it is bankrupt.

WankersHacksandThieves · 04/02/2017 13:19

Yes, it would be a big mistake for people, including nicolarse, to think that a vote for staying in the EU is a vote for Scottish independence. It's a completely different thing. I voted same as Lass and would still vote no to Scottish independence. It makes much more sense that way really.

WankersHacksandThieves · 04/02/2017 13:21

And PP was correct in that Spain would veto, it wouldnt help their Catalan situation to do otherwise. SON are one again selling stock they don't have.

WankersHacksandThieves · 04/02/2017 13:21

*SNP.

Calyx72 · 04/02/2017 13:22

I respect your vote and have no problem with that.

I still don't see any benefit for Scotland in the Union and will always vote for independence.

I have family members on each side of the debate and we still eat and talk together, love each other. Unionists (including Ruth 'Fratricidal' Davidson) would have everyone think that independence supporters are trying to kill off unionists.

I see a lot of hate for Nicola Sturgeon even on this thread for wanting independence. I don't feel hate towards unionists. I don't hate other politicians (strong dislike for people who lie whether they are SNP, Lib Dem, Labour or Tory etc). Cannot bear Daily Mail and so on as they are liars.

I just want independence because it would be better for Scotland. Yes there would be a period of unstable currency etc but we could 'sort' it if left to do so.

Calyx72 · 04/02/2017 13:22

Wankers - Nicolarse? Yeah ok. Cheerio.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 04/02/2017 13:30

Sturgeon is a vain , egotistical, monomaniac who displayed utter contempt for the No majority after the Indy ref.

Your idea of economics Calyx can be summarised as "ach, dinnae fash yersel, we'll sort oot the sillar in a wee while"

Calyx72 · 04/02/2017 13:39

Lass well, I'm not an economist. We have good people who can sort all that out.

Your view of Nicola Sturgeon's personal qualities is disturbing.

Similar to the EU vote the 'majority' is almost the same number as the losing side. Nicola and the SNP were voted in to government on a manifesto stating they would have another referendum if Scotland were taken out of the EU against its will. She is acting democratically.

barinatxe · 04/02/2017 13:40

She is abhorrent, obnoxious and deceitful - same as just about every other politician. We tend to ignore these facts about the politicians we agree with, but they are blindingly obvious in everyone else.

The problem with Sturgeon is that her only aim is an independent Scotland. Not improved living standards for the people of Scotland, not lower unemployment or a better health service - all these things can go to hell if it means she can edge the second, third or fourth referendum by 50.1% to 49.9%.

I think of it in terms of "some people would rather be a big fish in a small pond rather than a small fish in a big pond." Sturgeon wants to be the big fish in an independent country, and bollocks to all the other Scots swimming in the same pond.

Everything has to be Scotland v England with her. Well, I suppose sometimes she tries to make it Scotland, N. Ireland and Wales all versus England. It's not a fucking football match. It's childish, selfish and downright dangerous to play with nationalist politics in this way. It's not a game, it's peoples lives.

I suppose the right is on the rise in general at the moment. Whether it's UKIP, the BNP, the SNP or Trump - all are nasty, small-minded people, playing on the emotions and blaming "them forrinners" for society's problems. It's strange though that when the Nick Griffin went on Question Time a few years ago there was uproar, Trump's state visit is causing uproar, but when Sturgeon airs her similarly-offensive views we are supposed to lap it up!