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Trump thread 6

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amispartacus · 30/01/2017 18:52

And it's only been a day since no 5

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SanFranBear · 30/01/2017 22:03

There isn't time for the Emperor to sign anything more today, is there? Sad

Lweji · 30/01/2017 22:04

it would be 'misguided and wrong' to assume 5-year-old child caught in travel ban not a 'threat'

He could be a sleeper agent to undermine the US.

You know, like those Russian agents. Oh, wait...
Russia is a friend.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 22:04

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NAACP ‏*@NAACP* 2h2 hours ago
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We won't back down even if that means arrest! .@CornellWBrooks leads the charge to stand and fight. #StopSessions @MobileALPolice

And they're being arrested. 30 of them. It was a sit-in. No violence.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 22:04

Sure there's time. He could easily sign in the evening.

SanFranBear · 30/01/2017 22:06

I was afraid of that ^

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 22:08

The Guardian ‏*@guardian* 1m1 minute ago
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Green movement 'greatest threat to freedom', says Trump adviser
www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jan/30/green-movement-greatest-threat-freedom-says-trump-adviser-myron-ebell?CMP=twt_gu

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 22:09

The Independent ‏*@Independent* 3m3 minutes ago
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Amazon boss Jeff Bezos to support legal challenge to Trump travel ban
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/amazon-jeff-bezos-legal-challenge-donald-trump-travel-ban-a7554361.html

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 22:10

CBS News ‏*@CBSNews* now6 seconds ago
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In memo, dozens of foreign service officers are repudiating Pres. Donald Trump’s travel ban executive order: cbsn.ws/2jwjvxY

Abbylee · 30/01/2017 22:10

I'm not brave. I am broke. I spent 8 years cursing Bush, 8 years praying that Obama would help with racial tension and instead he killed the economy with NOT Affordable care act. Come here, don't come here but I think that you should try to find out what the facts are about the ban that Obama began with by choosing the countries. Btw, if Obama is the son of his African father, which i believe, then, he is also British....dual citizenship back in 1961. Trump is our president. I didn't march against the last two men. It is racist and sexist to vote for someone based on their sex or skin color. BOTH ways. You have health care. Americans buy it. Imagine a tax bill for $40,000 out of the blue!!! That is what Obama gave us. Trump is not against LGBT, women...a BUSH administration cousin was the guy who was speaking to him in the private conversation.
I have read more dirty things in the DM.

Does anyone have a reason besides liberal press misinformation.

ItsNachoCheese · 30/01/2017 22:10

I posted this on another trump thread as it made me Grin. From the glasgow march this evening

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GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 22:11

The Atlantic ‏*@TheAtlantic* 34s35 seconds ago
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Can Mike Flynn regain influence inside the White House? @ExumAM reports theatln.tc/2kLnr2Z

meltownmary · 30/01/2017 22:12

This is all very worrying.

Every hour seems to bring some other horror from Trump's pen.

An Irish MP (TD) has called for a review of the US immigration policy at Irish airports that have pre clearance facilities.

The person in question is Catherine Zappone and she is married to her wife. AFAIK she has dual Irish/US citizenship. If Trump clicks his pen on the LGBT EO she won't be going back there any time soon I reckon.

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38797581

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 22:14

Well, we have facts, actually. But have a read through on some of it first, as I think you'll find that the mainstream media are NOT producing fake news. Well, except for Fox News. They are not the most reliable around.

saffronwblue · 30/01/2017 22:14

Need an open mouth emoticon for the daily level of gobsmackedness I feel.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 22:15

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After a terrorist attack on a Canadian mosque by a Trump fan, I wonder if Canada will take measures for extreme vetting of Trump fans

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Lweji · 30/01/2017 22:15

We need a space where those who voted for Trump can be listened to or how can we expect them to listen?

We've spent months debating with Trump fans who just spouted elites and establishment and elites.
Most have disappeared from MN at the beginning of January.
Now, someone comes along spouting similar crap with clearly false statements.
If someone has actually voted Trump and does have sound arguments, preferably based in traditional facts, then please step forward.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 22:16

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Eric Holthaus Retweeted The Independent
Breaking: Trump will abandon U.S. commitment to Paris climate accordand jeopardize the continued viability of our planetwithin "days".

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 22:17

Forbes ‏*@Forbes* 11s11 seconds ago
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Trump might overhaul the work visa program that Silicon Valley uses to bring thousands of workers into the U.S. on.forbes.com/60188rwls

Anothermoomin · 30/01/2017 22:18

Where are those Trump supports now?

SanFranBear · 30/01/2017 22:18

Some awesome signs out and about tonight. . Think No5 could be my favourite Grin

www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/01/30/funniest-protest-signs-british-muslimbanprotest/

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 22:20

Laurie Penny ‏*@PennyRed* 3h3 hours ago
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Bloody hell, I never thought I'd see the day when Love Actually would start looking like an inspiring film. #StandUpToTrump #westminster

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M0stlyHet · 30/01/2017 22:20

Okay, Abby, first off, credit for coming back. But I think you're pinning the blame on the wrong thing. Yes, Obamacare was not the wonder magic bullet many over here think it was (I've tried to explain this to people on other threads) - I have American friends who've explained why, for the lower middle classes it has often meant higher premiums for less care. (It has, arguably, helped people in the lowest income brackets). But it isn't the whole story.

I'm outside the US. I've had a 3 year pay freeze, followed by 3 years on 1%, followed by no-one actually agreeing a pay deal for us for a year and a half. And my experience is pretty typical of Britons outside London. If you look at the figures split by region in the UK, it's only in London where living standards and incomes have got back to where they were in 2008. This wasn't Obama's doing. This was a global financial crash, caused (once again) by lack of regulation of the banking sector.

For all his "clear the swamp" rhetoric, Trump has appointed someone from Goldman Sachs, Mnuchin, as his Treasury Secretary. You are kidding yourself if you think he's going to do anything other than line the pockets of the ultra-rich. He's going to impose 20% import tarifs on goods from Mexico to pay for the wall - whose pockets do you think those tarifs are going to come out of? American people buying the goods.

I predict that in 4 years you will be even further in the financial shit than you are now, but not only will you be in the financial shit up to your neck, you'll have lost all your civil liberties too.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 22:21

Ben White ‏*@benabyad* 5h5 hours ago
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The policies Trump is unleashing on the US have been pursued by Israel for decades. My new @Independent op-ed:
www.independent.co.uk/voices/israel-netanyahu-donald-trump-travel-ban-muslim-ban-a7553141.html

Deejoda · 30/01/2017 22:21

I am struggling to understand why someone is suggesting Obamacare leading to more expensive health insurance is the fault of muslims

Lweji · 30/01/2017 22:22

You have health care. Americans buy it. Imagine a tax bill for $40,000 out of the blue!!! That is what Obama gave us.

Or he could get out of a GOP House.
Health care could be much more affordable. If all paid into it and if it wasn't private.
The US has the most expensive health care of the West, even in relation to per capita income.
It's and problem with the system.
And many people go without life insurance or get broke if they fall ill. That doesn't happen in Europe.

And, as others pointed out, that has nothing to do with Muslims or Mexicans.