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Trump thread 6

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amispartacus · 30/01/2017 18:52

And it's only been a day since no 5

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amispartacus · 30/01/2017 21:41

Reading other threads elsewhere, it makes me wonder if people listened to history lessons at school.

I never did WW2 history. I learnt from books. I learnt by going to the places where hate won. Hate comes so easily to some and is fuelled so easily. It's experienced if you're different. Don't fit in. If you aren't 'us'. If you are 'them'.

Creating hate is easy. It's happening now. It's happening in the press. It happens on MN. Create a target group. Don't say anything positive but always highlight the negative. Even if their characteristic has nothing to do with the event, that doesn't matter. Highlight it.

It's othering. When you create other, you can turn a blind eye. You can dehumanise people.

It was not just Jews in the Holocaust. It was intellectuals. Homosexuals. Gypsies. The disabled. People who were not 'us'. Who were 'them'.

I can see now how easy these things happen. Rwanda, Srebenica etc. Yet it's funny. Life is going on. Work, watching TV, shopping, going out.

I bet that life just went on in other countries as things developed around them.

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BigBadgers · 30/01/2017 21:42

And if you come onto a thread that is the latest in a series discussing the increasingly fascist policies and actions of trump to tell us we are just listening to fake news and he really isn't that bad after all, it would be a bit silly to think you are not going to get a few questions about that view.

cozietoesie · 30/01/2017 21:43

People are, on the whole, pretty insular, ami. If they and theirs are part of the 'us', they can feel just fine.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 21:44

I was the one that suggested she start her own thread. I wasn't rude about it (I don't think). I do think, however, it goes two ways. I wouldn't wade into a 6 thread long series which is clearly NOT pro-Trump and basically say "You don't know what you're talking about" and wade in. But that's just me, perhaps.

We weren't really looking for a debate on this thread, so perhaps AIBU isn't the best place for it, but to be fair, we've been carefully trying to keep it from being a bunfight for 6 threads- we'd like to continue. When things started getting heated about remain v leave, we pretty much said the same thing - we don't want a bunfight, but if you want to debate the point, perhaps start another thread about it.

I'm sorry if you felt that was rude.

BigBadgers · 30/01/2017 21:45

I'm off to bed before I start a fight. Love you guys and this most beautiful of bigly threads Grin

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 21:46

See you tomorrow Badgers. Here's hoping it's not to a new day of chaos.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 21:46

Lawrence O'Donnell ‏*@Lawrence* 9s10 seconds ago
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Protest against repealing Obamacare right now on 49th St.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 21:47

Shaun King ‏*@ShaunKing* 10s11 seconds ago
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Dear @realDonaldTrump

This white nationalist just murdered 6 Muslims (has pic of Canadian shooter)

That's 6 more people than ANY refugees from your banned nations list

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 21:48

Ahmed Shihab-Eldin ‏*@ASE* 3m3 minutes ago
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Weird now that police here in Quebec confirm shooter is White young male with Supremacist views, the story DISSAPEARS from @BreitbartNews

HoHumming · 30/01/2017 21:48

Placemarking

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 21:48

Dave Patrusevich ‏*@DavePatrusevich* 2m2 minutes ago
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Alexandre Bissonnette, the suspect of Quebec mosque attack, is a White Nationalist.@FoxNews fails to disclose this.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 21:52

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The attacker in Quebec City was shouting Allahu Akbar. Crooked Canadian news coverup. Had to hear it from Fox/Geller

Oh for god's sake. It's just getting ridiculous.

amispartacus · 30/01/2017 21:52

www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/im-a-prisoner-aussies-heartbreak-after-being-trapped-by-donalds-trumps-immigration-ban-20170130-gu1k9v.html

Debate in Australia. The great thing about the internet is that you get a world perspective.

I can't see Trump enjoying foreign visits.

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GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 21:53

Life in Québec ‏*@LifeinQuebec* 3m3 minutes ago
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US President uses Quebec mosque killings to defend own policies on Muslim-country travel.
www.lifeinquebec.com/us-president-uses-quebec-mosque-killings-to-defend-own-policies-on-muslim-country-travel-13525 … #SeanSpicerFacts #Quebec

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 21:55

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The already announced Justice Department Investigation into @FBI NY Field Office will be curtailed by Jeff Sessions to save his own skin

amispartacus · 30/01/2017 21:55

The attacker in Quebec City was shouting Allahu Akbar. Crooked Canadian news coverup. Had to hear it from Fox/Geller

I had a 'debate' this morning with someone who said there were 2 attackers and one shouting Allahu Ackbar according to witnesses. The same headline was repeated in the Daily Mail. The person online was very keen to say that it was a Sunni Muslim and why aren't people talking about it.

Turns out not to be so.White Nationalist.

But the fucking Daily Mail has fallen for it. It's fed the flames. It wanted to believe it was true.

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GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 21:56

AJ+ ‏*@ajplus* 57m57 minutes ago
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BREAKING: Several @NAACP members have been arrested, charged w/ "trespassing" after staging a sit-in at Jeff Sessions' office.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 21:56

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About 30 people have been arrested in the protest, including @CornellWBrooks @benardhs and other prominent Alabama civil rights advocates.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 21:58

Jackie Vimo ‏*@JackieVimo* 1m1 minute ago
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Just arrived at #SFO People are singing and welcoming international arrivals. No Ban! No Wall! America Welcomes All! #NoBanNoWall

amispartacus · 30/01/2017 22:00

Fucking Spicer - proactive, not reactive.

It's his President who is stoking the fuel of hate. Just like when Radical Islam preaches hate about LGBT people.

2 sides of the same coin.

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GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 22:00

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Lee Hedgepeth ‏*@ALPolitics* 2m2 minutes ago
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.@CornellWBrooks in handcuffs being brought into a local police precinct after arrest with @NAACP members @SenatorSessions office

CornellBrooks President CEO of NAACP

Peregrina · 30/01/2017 22:00

I'm glad there are concessions now for British nationals (including a close friend who would be directly affected.)

Would you, if you were a Muslim, or with a foreign sounding name, be reassured by that? Would the average immigration official have a clue what had been agreed by Foreign and Home Secretaries that they had never heard of?

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 22:01

Huffington Post UK ‏*@HuffPostUK* 23s24 seconds ago
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Sean Spicer says it would be 'misguided and wrong' to assume 5-year-old child caught in travel ban not a 'threat' huff.to/2kLv8Gi

GingerIvy · 30/01/2017 22:02

CNN Politics ‏*@CNNPolitics* 2m2 minutes ago
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Former Customs and Border Protection Chief: "I don't believe anyone was talked to about a travel ban" cnn.it/2jO7Jjy