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It's been just over a week, and what a week. Amazing. So good. The best.

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amispartacus · 28/01/2017 12:04

Follow up from previous thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2837382-Donald-Trump-the-first-week-is-BAD-What-next-Come-all-ye-Beautifuls?

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finallyfinishedit · 28/01/2017 22:20

Need to stop watching the news night and day, so depressing

GingerIvy · 28/01/2017 22:20

And ouch. Laura K just retweeted this...

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Strong leadership means not being afraid to tell someone powerful when they're wrong. It's an ethos this country is proud of @theresa_may

UtahGirl12 · 28/01/2017 22:20

I have no words. Place marking for the next piece of unbelievably frightening piece of news coming through. Thanks so much for this thread, where so much can be found in one place.

ChardonnayKnickertonSmythe · 28/01/2017 22:21

This is madness.

ZebraOwl · 28/01/2017 22:22

chippednailvarnishing

Hitler could string a sentence together. And wrote his own book. It was utterly bloody batshit (& of course the day I turned up in the Buttery with two copies of it [needed the English translation because I read Fraktur slowly] was the day that I ended up eating lunch with half a dozen Germans AND a British friend born & raised there, not awkward at ALL that, noooooooo) but he wrote it All On His Own.

You know, I think even Hitler would take issue with Trump. I mean for a start he's not persecuting the RIGHT religion, but what I'm ACTUALLY meaning is that the decisions he's making are rash & imprudent & he is lowering the standing of America on the world stage. His plans aren't actually thought out. His "America First" won't actually serve the Volk or the Reich just the Führer (as it were).

Am certainly not on some mad revisionist kick here, so we are VERY clear, but Hitler was a very effective leader who turned Germany around from the horrific hyperinflation of the Depression into a functioning successful state. He did it using horrific methods & left a legacy that continues to impact on the German people today (massive issues with collective memory though increasingly as that generation dies out that morphs into issues around the collective sense of shame/disgrace) but he was more skilled as a Leader - at least he deliberately plunged the world into war, I suspect Trump will bring about Armageddon via his idiotic blustering & posturing.

While we're talking C20 dictators, though, let's not forget Stalin either. Again, a better & more skilled Leader who would also undoubtedly hold Trump in contempt. And who slaughtered many millions more than Hitler (but never seems to get namechecked in the same way) & also had a system to camps.

And it was, of course, the British who came up with the idea of concentration camps in the first place, during the Boer War. Well done us. Ugh.

(If you want a lighter look at the thought of Hitler reappearing, there's a film called Look Who's Back, which sees him return to present-day Berlin... it's on Netflix.)

GingerIvy · 28/01/2017 22:22

I waiting to see what the fallout is from the three orders he just signed tonight. They've only just been announced, and I've heard things are going to be worse.

amispartacus · 28/01/2017 22:22

Heidi Allen MP

I don't care how special the relationship is, some lines just shouldn't be crossed

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GingerIvy · 28/01/2017 22:23

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“Hours after Trump signs Muslim ban, Texas mosque goes up in flames”

amispartacus · 28/01/2017 22:24

Fucking hell.

This is history. Real history. Speeded up.

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MoonriseKingdom · 28/01/2017 22:27

How can Theresa May let this go without comment? Those poor people unable to return to their families or unable to leave.

I hope people use the Oscars to make comment. Particularly as that Iranian director is now banned.

ZebraOwl · 28/01/2017 22:28

amisparticus
Re: Article 50 vote, a group of Labour backbenchers, inc my MP (so proud of her) have tabled an amendment to the Bill: m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/14455090

(Should add that by voting against Article 50 she will be voting in accordance with the wishes of [the vast majority of those of] her constituents [who voted].)

Lumberries · 28/01/2017 22:29

I have a genuine question, forgive me if it's stupid or insensitive:

How are they determining who's a Muslim and who isn't?

I could apply for a passport tomorrow and state my religion as anything I wanted, so how are the US deciding who's a Muslim and who isn't?

It's not like you can tell someone's religious beliefs by looking at them, there's plenty of Asian christians etc so how do they know??

ZebraOwl · 28/01/2017 22:31

GingerIvy
Article about mosque fire: thinkprogress.org/islamic-center-of-victoria-fire-8a683f632a7a#.5wtrdf6ux

(Is the same one I posted on p10 for anyone who's already read it, sorry!)

GingerIvy · 28/01/2017 22:34

Okay. I kid you not. One of my American friends on FB followed me onto someone else's page and joined into our political discussion (we are all in UK and all detest Trump). I'll point out that I'm American (which she knows obviously as I've known her for years). I had to unfriend. Can't deal with that kind of nuts.

She posted this:
You are so wrong, if you don't live here you don't know what is going on. Don't go by the press it has been bias, which was proven in this country, at least this country is going to be safe to live in. Many other countries are doing the same thing.

Chippednailvarnishing · 28/01/2017 22:34

How are they determining who's a Muslim and who isn't?

They're not by all accounts. If. You're from a Muslim country you're a Muslim by default.

Chippednailvarnishing · 28/01/2017 22:36

Yazidis are being stopped from entering the us.

amispartacus · 28/01/2017 22:37

It's not like you can tell someone's religious beliefs by looking at them, there's plenty of Asian christians etc so how do they know

Ironically, this video is from the West Wing with a Christian refugee trying to prove he is Christian to escape persecution.

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GingerIvy · 28/01/2017 22:39

This is a bit disturbing. I hope this is not true, but sadly I suspect it is.

www.yahoo.com/digest/20170117/gop-makes-plans-invalidate-endangered-species-act-00837573

Lweji · 28/01/2017 22:40

I bet Isis are pissing themselves laughing at him. Like this would actually stop them.

worse. It plays into their hands

GingerIvy · 28/01/2017 22:40

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We need an emergency national demonstration against Theresa May turning Britain into Donald Trump's lapdog. Next Saturday? Who is in?

amispartacus · 28/01/2017 22:41

Heidi Allen seems to have deleted her tweet

"Strong leadership means not being afraid to tell someone powerful when they're wrong. It's an ethos this country is proud of"

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woman12345 · 28/01/2017 22:42

GingerIvy that's awful, hope it's not true, like so many things atm

Peregrina · 28/01/2017 22:42

We need an emergency national demonstration against Theresa May turning Britain into Donald Trump's lapdog. Next Saturday? Who is in?

Me. Sooner if possible, although not easy if you are at work.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 28/01/2017 22:43

me.

GingerIvy · 28/01/2017 22:43

At JFK, over 1000 now protesting, and police are standing nearby with those plastic cuffs. Hmmm..... Do you think there'll be a riot ?