has anyone moved abroad because of brexit result ?

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and if you have, how is your new life settling in ? maybe some people were thinking of going before it happened and this was the 'final straw'.
do you miss your old life ? what is better for you now ?
am really interested to know, but don't want to get on the debate bit of brexit there are other threads on here for that right now.

If you were born in Britain to British parents then you will always have the right to residence whether or not you give up your passport to change nationality. It is only those who gained British nationality by other means that can really give it up.

Rhodabull that may be your experience but I also know lots of expats and none of them have property in the UK.

I love how everybody is keen to get dual nationality. Is that so that when it suits they can nip back to this terrible country and get treatment for themselves or their children.

I think it is more likely to be a psychological/emotional desire to retain the option to return to the country you grew up in, and that if people actually do return it is more likely to be for family reasons, e.g. elderly relatives' needs, support if marriages break up, etc. In any case, renouncing your own citizenship when you become domiciled elsewhere is virtually unheard of. In that sense, speaking of "dual citizenship" is just shorthand for discussing emigration.

As someone who has lived in other countries, I can tell you that medical expenses are very expensive outside the UK.

I think everyone knows that. I'm sure the UK will catch up though.

Your posts are dripping with scorn and anger, morgan. Why is that? Why do you care what plans anyone else is making?

I agree, morgan why such anger?

I have been living in an EU country for the last ten years and have two dual nationality children. I still have my British passport and the country I am in won't give me citizenship unless I give my British one up. I won't because it is part of my heritage. Lol to the idea that I am banking on NHS treatment! Basically every EU country has a better healthcare system than the NHS!

Basically every EU country has a better healthcare system than the NHS!

Do you have any evidence to back up this claim?

Can I politely suggest that it may be a tad distant from the truth?

thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/

(From 2000 so out of date, but I think the general trend still remains similar)

A client from another EU state who owns a house here and has lived in the UK for at least 15 years is moving back home specifically he said because of brexit with his business and his partner.

We are moving to Germany at the end of April, OH has transferred his job to Central European Team of his organisation. He is from an EU country, I am British.
We had considered this move before but hadn't done anything. After the referendum we just decided it was for the best and set the wheels in motion. I worry that my husband won't be allowed to live in the same country as his own children. He has been here 20 years and paid tax (at higher rate). He has loved it here and says he will be homesick for the UK.

My worry is that we will lose our rights as workers in the UK. It seems to me that in order to make it attractive for US investment the Tories will be willing to sacrifice things like maximum working week, minimum holiday entitlements and maternity leave, paternity leave. In the US they have hardly any paid holiday and maternity leave is about 6 weeks.
I can't afford to pay for my children to go to uni here and it's free in Germany. So I know they will have a good start not saddled by loads of debt.
I think the Tories are planning to privatise the NHS by the backdoor.
I just don't like the way people seem to have become so unkind and intolerant. I feel like I don't recognise people I have known all my life. It's like turkeys voting for Christmas. I work in the public sector and lots of my colleagues voted for Brexit and Tory at the election. What the Tories have done/are doing/will do to the public sector I just can't believe that they could vote for them.
Anyway, I don't moan about it to people around me (I am only stating here as the OP asked the question), we just took the decision and we'll go.
I would prefer to hold onto my British passport as I am British and I was born here. It's not because I expect the NHS to take care of me when I'm old. The German healthcare system is much better and if I came back there probably won't be an NHS anymore.

I am already living in another EU state, have recently married my EU national dp after 20 years and looking at applying for dual citizenship as with all the uncertainty at the moment I would rather have as many passports as I can get so I can safeguard my right to continue to live in the same country as my dual nationality ds. I will hold onto my British passport as I am British, as British as any of the morgan types insinuating that by choosing to live abroad and wanting share a citizenship with son and husband that I should somehow forfeit my British nationality. I am only having to make this application for dual citizenship due to the fallout and subsequent insecurity coming from a decision made by Leave voters so I would appreciate it if as well as forcing this fallout on me you would let me keep the nationality I am every bit as entitled to as you. I don't forsee a time I will come back to the UK to live but should I choose to my many years of paying a shit load of tax in the U.K. and subsequent many years of not using any services there will mean I shan't feel too guilty should that happen

Between, well from my perspective from having lived in three different EU countries now, so no hard facts but lots of direct experience:
My children see pediatricians monthly until age 2, yearly afterwards, for check ups.
I was looked after by a gynaecologist and midwife during both pregnancies.
I got access to treatment here within 2 days for something I gave up waiting for after 6 years on the NHS and had to pay for privately.

Just a few examples but pretty standard. That didn't cost me anything and was paid for by my compulsory health insurance. Everyone has it and it is free if you are unemployed.

Nothing against the NHS. It is staffed by excellent, hardworking people. But it is chronically underfunded and badly managed. To suggest the only reason people keep their British nationality is to keep access to the NHS is laughable.

Salzundessig

Between, well from my perspective from having lived in three different EU countries now, so no hard facts but lots of direct experience

There are 27 other countries in the EU.

Fair enough, I don't disagree with you and thanks for explaining a bit more about the management side of things. My point still stands about keeping my citizenship for the NHS though. I find it insulting people think I should give it up just because I don't live in the UK. It is still part of who I am and Brexit doesn't change that.

I used to work in the NHS and Salz is completely right, it is badly managed.

I don't read the DM , so I have no idea what their latest rant is and almost certainly wouldn't agree with it, but I think you undermine your own argument, Draylon, when you mention the "top-of-their-game private industry managers/big shots/profit generating people and consultancies". The idea that MBAs from private sector businesses should be able to apply the values and methods of the marketplace to the particular needs and goals of fields such as health and social care is just flawed. You can't put things like fear, pain, kindness, dignity or common sense into a spreadsheet, and doing a good job doesn't translate into a healthy bottom line. Arguably, managerialism doesn't even generate efficiency in the private sector but certainly it is the wrong answer where a civilised public sector is concerned.

To my mind, one of the problems is that only those on the inside have a decent grasp of the issues and how they might be fixed, and by the time you are in that position you are exhausted by your workload and too demoralised to do anything but get through your own shitty day. (That is certainly how I felt anyway.) But the other problem of course is chronic underfunding. If the UK spent the average (mean) % of GDP per capita for comparable western industrialised countries, it would release enough funding into the NHS to end all healthcare rationing, all geography-based inequality of access and all waiting lists. And all free at the point of access. How anyone thinks copying a US-style system of insurance companies and marketised treatment providers is a better solution to this situation is anyone's guess. (Or actually no one with any influence does, they are just keeping an eye on their stock portfolios.)

Sorry, bit of a rant there. This is a sore topic.

Anyway, as Salz says, all this is beside the point. The idea is that anyone leaving the UK post-Brexit would retain their citizenship in order to access the NHS is hilarious. The same mandateless government (election expenses, anyone?) who brought you the waking nightmare that is Brexit has already all but dismantled the NHS and will undoubtedly finish the job before long.

And yes, all the doctors are going to NZ, Oz, Canada and SA.

MrsD I don't think we will lose UK maternity rights. After all it's only 6 weeks at 90% pay just as 30 years ago and then the pay drops off a cliff so it's hardly particularly generous and you can easily opt out of the maximum working week in contracts which people do all the time.

I doubt we would want people who aren't British who live here and then move abroad to retain some right to remain health tourists and come back to the UK just to take advantage of the NHS.

between

So we are 18th on that list...and that was over 16 years ago

Bet we are lower now

16 years ago i could get a doctors apppointment within a few days, it takes up to 8 weeks now if you want your own dr, 6 weeks if you dont

I thought we would be higher

And would echo some of the other posters

why so pissed off morgan

I also think that posters moving to Europe to escape racism are sadly deluded. I have heard the most dreadful racist comments casually spouted by ordinary Europeans that would make most British people's hair stand on end. And disablist comments to boot.

Europe isn't one homogenous EU love-in, and we're on the outside not appreciating how great it is.

I would happily go, I just don't know where to. I never felt that way before Brexit.

I also think that posters moving to Europe to escape racism are sadly deluded.

Did any posters say they're moving to Europe to escape racism?

Maybe I understand people's posts differently to you but the overwhelming message I get from the thread is that posters each have their own variety of reasons to stay or to go and Brexit has just tipped the balance into "go" for some.

There's no nastiness in it. It's just how the majority of people make very important and complex decisions.

But I can't find anything constructive to say about suggestions that people who leave should have to renounce their passports.

suggestions that people who leave should have to renounce their passports.

On another thread some posters were very scathing about their disdain for anyone from the eu that arrived in britain and did not take immediate citizenship/ditch their passports

The reality is neither the private sector consultants, nor the current NHS managers are managing in terms of meeting peoples' healthcare needs and staying under budget. But this doesn't make the NHS badly managed.

I am obviously very tired today. This makes no sense to me whatsoever.