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has anyone moved abroad because of brexit result ?

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pipsqueak25 · 26/01/2017 18:18

and if you have, how is your new life settling in ? maybe some people were thinking of going before it happened and this was the 'final straw'.
do you miss your old life ? what is better for you now ?
am really interested to know, but don't want to get on the debate bit of brexit there are other threads on here for that right now.

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user1481838270 · 28/01/2017 10:46

Australia may have fallen behind but it has a lot more to fall before it does below the UK.

has anyone moved abroad because of brexit result ?
MrsLupo · 28/01/2017 11:16

I think there is a big difference, experientially, between living in a country with social or political problems, and living in your own country amid social and political problems that you perceive (rightly or wrongly) as not always having existed.

There's a kind of suspension of disbelief that occurs when you're not entirely integrated in a society, either because you don't fully know and appreciate the history of the social environment in which you find yourself, or don't take it as personally as you would in the country you grew up in, or, at the other end of the spectrum, because you don't understand a word that's being said around you. I think as a comer-in you are more able simply to accept without undue judgement what the status quo is. Having infrastructural, cultural or linguistic barriers to do battle with on a daily basis frees you from the burden of considering whether the economic theories underpinning local healthcare delivery are sound, misguided or just plain corrupt, for example.

For people (like me) who are engaged in a long-running conflict between wanting social justice and wanting just to be left alone to work, raise children and grow vegetables half-way successfully, removing yourself from a situation where you are so familiar with the issues that you're in a permanent lather of anger and disappointment can be a great relief and a good life decision.

I agree that Australia has its problems, but I can see why someone who is heartbroken at the changes in their own country could happily enjoy the quality of life a sought-after professional could enjoy there (or indeed most places). I lived in Japan in the 1990s, which certainly had (and has) its problems, but the minimal amount of Japanese I acquired enabled me to focus on temples and bamboo forests and okinomiyaki instead of economic instability. There are worse ways to live.

squishysquirmy · 28/01/2017 12:06

I think if I was able to move, I probably would but one of the reasons not to would be leaving family behind. In particular my mum would be absolutely gutted to miss her grandchild growing up if we moved somewhere very distant like Canada. There is no way she could afford to visit us often. She voted leave. I wonder if the leavers on here who say things like "I wish all the moaners would! [leave]" realise that "the moaners" may well include people they love?
It's worth thinking about before making sweeping comments like that.

turbohamster · 28/01/2017 12:11

We've talked about going to Australia, I have a lot of family there and my brother and sister are already Australian citizens. I don't really want to move there, but the attraction for me is although we'd have to jump through some hoops, we know exactly what they are.

The impact of Brexit on us as a couple is the uncertainty. I am by nature a planner, and not knowing what the post-Brexit landscape looks like is what bothers me most. I feel like I cannot make decisions about our future because there are too many unknowns.

Glastokitty · 29/01/2017 01:57

Pluto30 what do you mean about your husband feeling the pressure of getting citizenship? Once you have four years Permanent Residency it's perfectly straightforward to become a citizen. You sit a very easy test, pay a few hundred dollars and turn up to your citizenship ceremony where they give you a nice certificate. No pressure involved at all. I know because I'm getting my citizenship this year.

Also, while unemployment is certainly on the increase, it's nothing like what we experienced in the UK and Ireland when we lived there. My husband was made redundant last year, he easily found temp work to pay the bills until he got a permanent role. As for the health system, it's bloody marvellous compared to the desperately underfunded UK and Irish systems, I also find the schools to be pretty good in comparison. So when you judge Oz harshly, saying you've lived here all your life, may I suggest that if you had lived in another country you would appreciate just how good we have it here. Australia has its flaws like everywhere else, but I thank my lucky stars I live here in the lucky country.

UterusUterusGhali · 29/01/2017 02:36

I know a few doctors who are doing so.
A combination of factors, but it's kinda sealed the deal. :(
Lots of drs from the EU here, or their spouses.
They're all going to Canada/NZ/Oz.

FuckOffDailyMailQuitQuotingMN · 29/01/2017 22:08

MrsLupo I just wanted to thank you for your thoughtful and considered response above of Sat 28-Jan-17 11:16:13 - you make some very interesting observations.

Your whole story has been compelling and interesting and I've thought about it over the past few days as you've shared, just wanted to say thanks for being open and sharing so poignantly.

kmc1111 · 29/01/2017 22:32

I'd already left, but Brexit took me from thinking I'd most likely go back someday, to scrapping all thoughts of ever returning and applying for citizenship elsewhere.

Some of my old friends have left, mostly doctors and scientists, and pretty much everyone I know who would actually meet the requirements for residency elsewhere is at least considering it.

TheNiffler · 29/01/2017 22:35

My extended family is discussing it, by that I mean XH's family, who are to me, my family. DD2 would definitely go with us, DD1 maybe. We were already talking about Spain or Sweden, but now I feel too scared to. 'Here' is not home to me, I moved about to much as a child. I could go to the US, but that is not something I'd consider.

Sweden is our #1 choice, Spain #2. I don't see how either will be doable now, unless they do allow us to retain EU citizenship on request. Fucking Brexit has pissed all over our dreams.

MrsLupo · 29/01/2017 23:42

Bless you, FODMQQMN, what a nice thing to say. Smile

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GreatScot8 · 02/02/2017 20:17

What I don't understand Draylon is that if the quality of life was so bad while in the EU, what is the big drama about leaving it?

WrongTrouser · 02/02/2017 20:25

So would it be a fair summary that the posters on this thread who are planning to move to Australia as a result of Brexit would be doing so for quality of life reasons rather than political ones?

Draylon · 02/02/2017 21:30

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GreatScot8 · 02/02/2017 21:33

Not necessarily you, Draylon, I'm just asking in general. People have said that they are wanting to move countries because of Brexit, but it sounds as though the quality of life in the UK is pretty crap even being in the EU, so I'm not sure why people are so upset about leaving?

I thought that the concern over leaving the EU was that it was going to cause quality of life to suffer, but it seems it was already suffering prior to leaving?

whatsthepointofmorgan · 02/02/2017 21:35

^has anyone moved abroad because of brexit result ?

I'm sure one of the hoardes of celebrities (who threatened to leave the country if Brexit went ahead) will be along to answer your question shortly.

whatsthepointofmorgan · 02/02/2017 21:38

i'm only asking because many people said they'd emigrate because of the result and i'm interested to know if anyone has done that,

Load of hot air with most of them.

Draylon · 02/02/2017 21:39

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whatsthepointofmorgan · 02/02/2017 21:49

I have dual nationality, DH is in the process of naturalising so will soon have dual nationality too. But we both grew up abroad; Europe, non-EU.

Going 'back' has always been a vague possibility for some time in the future.
We feel quite trapped and fear it will only get worse. If we stay, we expect we will remain relatively well off within a country getting poorer and poorer, so above average but with the average continually going down. So it will become harder and harder to leave, and we expect quality of life to decline.

So basically you moved here, used us while the going was good and now things aren't quite going you're way, you're buggering off home.
That's nice of you.

Will you be coming back if things 'pick up again'?

It's wrong to use a country for what you can get out of it, but upsticks and go running home at the first whiff of trouble.
It shows that at the back of your mind, you had no intention of settling for 'good' in the first place.

Draylon · 02/02/2017 21:51

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whatsthepointofmorgan · 02/02/2017 21:55

We've talked about going to Australia, I have a lot of family there and my brother and sister are already Australian citizens. I don't really want to move there, but the attraction for me is although we'd have to jump through some hoops, we know exactly what they are.

I wonder if all the people saying ''It's Ok we are thinking of going to Australia'' realize that Australia is really strict about who they let in.
Australia is the country that Nigel Farage held up as an example of how things 'should be done' in this country - namely a points system.

If you think the UK are and 'meanies' when it comes to letting people in, then you are in for a very nasty shock when you reach Australia.
That's assuming you're able to get in, in the first place.
Which most people probably wont be able to.

Draylon · 02/02/2017 21:56

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whatsthepointofmorgan · 02/02/2017 22:02

I am also cynically amused by the planned dash to Australia, a place with strict immigration controls. (and an environmentally unsustainable population)

Yep. I'm not understanding this either. Australia has notoriously strict immigration laws/requirements, is very difficult to get permanent residency in, even harder to get citizneship, hasn't got ample jobs, hasn't got anything resembling the EU with anyone else, is one of the most unaffordable places in the world to live, is falling behind in the health and education stakes, has had massive political instability since 2007 etc. Sounds like everything Remainers dread will happen to the UK.

I know! Not forgetting there is a lot of racism still towards aborigines.
And yet there are a few posters on here saying they are moving to Aus because they are fed up with racism. Confused

I'm also a bit bemused by the 'I'm off to live in Ireland' talk.
I've also lost count of the number of people saying they're 'off to Ireland' Hmm
I'm sure Ireland will just LOVE thousands of people pouring in. That won't be a strain on them.
At all Hmm

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