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to not want our daughter to have the surname 'Perfect'?

214 replies

Brooks10 · 24/01/2017 23:00

Our daughter is due any day. We have decided on her first name, but are struggling with the surname. We are not married. He wants his surname (which I actually don't mind, as in don't mind her having just his surname) but his surname is Perfect. It's not unreasonable to think that's not a great surname is it?? He thinks it's a great surname to have, so which is it?? A bad or good surname to have? I think it's really bad tbh. Mind you, it doesn't sound that great hyphenated either, does it?

OP posts:
usualmum · 25/01/2017 09:56

hatesummer Butt is the name of a gentrified (land owners) caste in the sub continent and is as common as Smith is in the UK.

And also I think that in the multi cultural world we operate in any name may cause various responses. However, I have increasingly seen significant less of this type of negative responses to names in school settings.

So I do not see any negative inference to any name..especially Perfect!!

bruce4thewin · 25/01/2017 09:58

thats cringe asf

Applesandpears23 · 25/01/2017 09:59

I gave my child my name and the father's name as a middle name. I did it for the simple reason that nursery and school default to calling the mother Mrs childssurname and I didn't want to be called his last name because that is his ex wifes name. I am very pleased wigh our choice and lots of people have expressed pleased surprise.

HateSummer · 25/01/2017 10:03

usual it's also a common English surname wiki says so

Similarly, the surname "Tutty" in English is translated to "poo" in Punjabi dialect. It always caused a giggle amongst the Asians in our school when X Tutty's name was called out.

livelyredjellybean · 25/01/2017 10:05

Perfect is a lovely surname!

One of my ex's surname was "whore" but spelt differently...

LtGreggs · 25/01/2017 10:06

We live in west of Scotland, and the family surname is (very similar to) "Midgies"

We started training the kids up in nickname potential straight away, based on DH's extensive life experience. I doubt they'll ever hear an original from schoolmates. DS2 believes that the midges actually choose to bite him because they recognise his name - he's 8 and quite bright in other ways...

Talllara · 25/01/2017 10:08

Perfect isn't the worst surname but I can see why you'd be unsure. Although Mayfield is a really lovely name.

Perfect-Mayfield sounds quite nice.

Would you take his surname if you married?

Birdsgottafly · 25/01/2017 10:15

Rather than drop it, I'd use one of the original spellings, Parfait, Parfit, Parker etc.

It's a shame for the Surname to die out.

I've got friends who have used their rare Cornish Surname, so it doesn't die out, as opposed to their DHs.

Tikky · 25/01/2017 10:15

Down with the patriarchy and all that... Wink but I am surprised at the number of posters saying babies should have their mothers names because they gave birth to them. If you decide to have a baby with someone else then you need to decide together what surname to give the baby. If you can't manage to do that together then it seems risky to have a baby.

Personally, I wish my DH and I had made up a new family surname.

GatoradeMeBitch · 25/01/2017 10:24

Call her Mayfield. She's coming out of your body, why veto your own name?

Jaxhog · 25/01/2017 10:27

You could call her Truly. Then she'd be Truly Perfect!

Seriously though, I'd stick with your surname. If he wants his surname, you should get married. Who knows how long he'll be around?

Screwinthetuna · 25/01/2017 10:39

Mr Perfect Grin.
I would just get with it. It isn't the best but it just becomes the norm. I grew up with a boy with the surname Dick. Not a great name but after the first laugh, it's old news

SixthSenseless · 25/01/2017 12:09

"If he wants his surname, you should get married. "

Why? The OP doesn't like the name Perfect very much - what makes you think she would change her name and give her baby that name just because they decided to marry?

FuckOffDailyMailQuitQuotingMN · 25/01/2017 12:14

Personally, I wish my DH and I had made up a new family surname.
I wish we'd have done this as well. I think it's a great idea. Makes family research difficult but with the internet that should be fairly easy from here on out!

Brooks10 · 25/01/2017 12:29

Why are so many people confused I'm not married? Or assuming it's because I'm not sure of the relationship? Confused whys there such a rush to get married on here? We are more than happy, both are very sure of the relationship, but why does that need confirming with marriage! I obviously have no issue with people getting married, but we're happy ATM.

Thanks for all the comments.

OP posts:
Talllara · 25/01/2017 12:43

Brooks are you going to change your surname if and when you do get married?

That might sway your decision on the baby's name.

Brooks10 · 25/01/2017 12:48

To be honest, I don't think we will get married Smile so I don't know! Not really thought about it.

OP posts:
lelapaletute · 25/01/2017 13:05

Surnames are bugger! Also expecting our first daughter any day waves at OP and we had a bit of a set-to over surnames. We are not married and never will be, because I don't believe in marriage. I'm not ideological about baby having my surname - I'd like us both to be in there in some way. Buuuuut...

He is a double-barrel, because when his parents married his mother was the last of her line and wanted to keep her name, so she had her husband double barrel with hers - Hername-Hisname. So we can't really double barrel his and mine. I thought we could double-barrel mine and his mothers, or to do a combo name. But he was a bit anti; HIS brilliant idea was for us to call first child one of our names (mine or his, he doesn't mind) and then second one the other (we plan on two). I said this was stupid, as (a) we may not be able to have another and (b) the kids would then have different names to each other, which I think would be a lot weirder at school than them having different names to either him or me. He thinks it's a bit unfair for me to insist on using a single name for both and it being mine, since it's down to me we won't be getting married... sigh

Long story short we're probably going with his name, just because it's bloody easier and he's more bothered about it than I am (his family set more store by this sort of thing, mine is more of a mix and match divorce-ridden hodgepodge so we've got about 5 surnames rolling around in there, and have never felt less like family because of that). Not ideal, and I feel a bit like the sisterhood would disapprove; but certainly if I ever get any indication from those in authority (schools, registries, passport control etc) that I am any less my child's mother because we don't share a surname will catch the rough end of my tongue and no mistake. We're not living in the dark ages,families take man forms these days and they should simply accept that the person presenting as the child's mother is her bloody mother, whatever the surnames.

But it does bother me how many people on here seem to think not getting married, or not taking your partner's name, means you're less committed to each other! This is simply not true in our case. I don't believe in marriage because almost all the marriages in my immediate family I've seen either ended in divorce or are deeply unhappy, where as all the successful relationships have been long term cohabitations. Newsflash: marriage does not give you any kind of indemnity against relationship breakdown. Nothing will but you, and your other half, working at it, every day. Now I loves good wedding, don't get me wrong, but the idea that standing up and making a promise in front of people is some sort of talisman against breakup is nothing more than a comforting fantasy.

PaintingOwls · 25/01/2017 13:05

If you're not getting married do not give your child his name.

Blissx · 25/01/2017 13:08

I have a very good friend who's surname is Perfect. She has a gorgeous two year old daughter who also uses that surname. I genuinely don't see the problem.

I too have a surname that is also a 'word' and have not changed my DD's surname either. I really don't see the problem!

Hope all goes well OP!

LeSquigh · 25/01/2017 13:12

I've said it before on other threads and I'll say it again because I still genuinely can't believe that Mumsnet is so different from real life on yet another subject.....

I have never come across a child in real life that doesn't have its fathers name, even if the parents are not married UNLESS the father is unknown or totally out of the equation.

I am pregnant and not married and there wouldn't even be a discussion about which name the baby will have, it will have my DPs name, no question. Every other single person I know who is in the same position as me has done the same.

The last time I commented on a similar thread everyone went up in arms at how I possibly couldn't be genuine but following this I did quite an extensive straw poll of people I know, people at the school and colleagues etc etc and I still found not one example where the child had the mothers surname. It is a very alien concept to me.

For clarity, I live in the Home Counties.

BTW, I do prefer Mayfield in the case of the OP, and I actually prefer my own name to my DPs, but that's not what it is about. It certainly isn't about ownership and it makes no difference at airports. I have another child (different father) who has his fathers name and have never had an issue.

SixthSenseless · 25/01/2017 13:23

LeSquigh - That's the Home Counties for you Wink

I know loads. A relative who is married, but is one of three daughters and decided to keep her own family's name going as her sisters had changed their names. Women who preferred their own name, or felt strongly about it politically, fathers who had similar feelings... People who used a first name from one culture and a surname from another, according to which name worked best in that context. And a very high proportion of DCs' school friends have the surname of both parents, whether married or not.

You meet people in MN that you wouldn't meet in RL people not from the Home Counties that's one of the beauties of it.

(I am not serious about the HCs - it is my eventual ambition to live in Sussex)

lelapaletute · 25/01/2017 13:35

LeSquigh just to play devils advocate, why do you think it is so automatically appropriate? Is it because while the mother's parenthood is never in doubt (after all, they came out of you), the father's somehow requires the extra confirmation? Or is it just because traditionally parents would have been married and given the father's name for that reason, so that just gets observed even when the parents are not married?

As I say, I'm doing exactly that for reasons above, so not judging anyone - but it definitely was a QUESTION. Didn't seem like the only possible thing to do to me. So I'm intrigued by the idea that it is so obvious for some unmarried mums.

Batteriesallgone · 25/01/2017 13:39

lela I'm married because I'm a SAHM. It was discussed before we had children and marriage gives me the most financial security. You can both make wills etc but they can be changed. He ain't divorcing me without my knowledge Wink

It's doesn't give you an indemnity against breakup but it does give you (some) protection against being financially screwed over if you are the lower / non earning party.

I'm such a romantic, me!

BuntyFigglesworthSpiffington · 25/01/2017 13:40

'I am pregnant and not married and there wouldn't even be a discussion about which name the baby will have, it will have my DPs name, no question.'

How very sad indeed that it wouldn’t even be considered worthy of a discussion.

Children of an unmarried couple taking the father's name is a relatively new concept.

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