to still be cross about the outcome of the EU referendum?

[mynamesnotsam]

I'm still so angry and can't forgive those who voted to leave. After the result there was much talk of how the two sides must put aside their differences but I don't feel there has been any attempt to try to appease the 48.1% of people who voted to stay. I also want to rip the head off any one who says it's the will of the people. They should be legally obligated to say it's the will of 51.9 % of the people who voted. If the vote had gone the other way you can bet that UKIP would still be making a huge fuss about it but remainers are expected to "just get over it"!

Re wanting Leave voters to feel the full effect of what they've voted for. The whole country (apart from those wealthy enough not to care about higher bills, more expensive food etc) is going to suffer because of Brexit and it's understandable that the Remain voters are angry and want the Leavers to really see what they've done. It probably does sound bitter but I do get why people would say it.

Personally I still think leaving is a stupid idea however I do believe in democracy so we have to accept the will of the people. It was a straight up in or out vote and more people wanted out.

However what pisses me off is how the whole thing was done. I still believe the vote shouldn't have happened. So many people have admitted they had no clue what they were voting for, many have regretted their vote and many were lied to by our government who aren't being held accountable for that.

That is what pisses me Off. High profile cabinet members spent months lying in public and misleading people and NONE of them are being made to answer for that. Boris and his bus is the Most obvious utter falsity done to mislead and he got a promotion ffs. If a company advertised like that they would be sued.

I do think that The decision about parliament voting on terms is the correct one. Not because they may overturn brexit (they shouldn't even though I don't like it as they are supposed to represent the country who voted out) but because something this big should not be solely in the hands of the Torys who have already fucked up this country enough thanks very much.

We cant stop it much as I want to but we need to make sure we do it right. It's not going to be pretty but at this point there's nothing we can do to change it. The country is already divided and we need to focus on dealing with that. We need to challenge the hatred racism and xenophobia that have come out and we need to push the government to do this right.

Individuals say stupid things - I'm sure a few remainers are none too bright either. But that doesn't mean ALL remainers or ALL leavers are thick.

Bohemond has a good point.

I think it makes those kicking off feel better to assume everyone who voted differently is thick and racist - perhaps if they had been campaigning and engaging with people then the result would have been different awaits everyone claiming that they did

It does seem to make a few people angry but try and imagine how hard it was for leavers who have had years of sucking up their anger watching the UK cede more and more power to the corrupt protectionist EU.

Those thick racist xenophobes like Corbyn and Skinner, those thick white fuckers that are to blame. Especially those Northern fuckers with their whippets and pies. Bastards.

Mother You are not being civil though by tarring all leavers as xenophobic. I know people in Brussels, employed by a large multinational organisation, who voted leave. They are post grads, professionals, who throughout their careers have worked with other nationalities, and now work with 27 others, plus those from partner countries, and in some cases have been seconded to the EU, and have still voted leave, as they didn't like the direction of travel towards ever closer union, or the ratchet effect of the Acquis. Please do tell how that makes them xenophobic?

In my opinion, it seems that everybody who voted leave did so for xenophobic reasons,

I'm impressed that you have this insight into so many people's minds

Because they voted Leave scary. That's it. That's all the evidence there is.

Quite Mute. And they call the Leavers 'thick'

Those thick racist xenophobes like Corbyn and Skinner, those thick white fuckers that are to blame. Especially those Northern fuckers with their whippets and pies. Bastards

Love this comment so I just thought I'd repeat it and embolden it.

As for those saying that it is the older generation's fault - well, they have seen both in and out so they know better about what it is all about.

Who is they?

Can we not all grow up a bit and stop generalising

I love a good bun fight myself but this topic is just

"All leavers..."

And

"All remainers"

And the occasional "they"

Its like a really boring civil war or North and South without Patrick Swayze

Also, to all those people saying that only xenophobes voted out - Do you think we should have any immigration control at all? Do you think that we should have free movement for everybody in the world? Just wondering. It is a genuine question.

No I'm still angry and pissed off about it. I wouldn't mind as much if the leave campaign hadn't blatantly lied about the benefits. But I know it's going to happen and thankfully my children and I can become Irish if we need to live elsewhere in the EU.

There was bollocks spoken in both sides.

Those of you who are literally crying on a daily basis about it, why not channel your energy into doing whatever you can to minimise the damage that you feel will be caused? It is a very extreme reaction.

Dear OP I'm with you. I think it's a disaster. And it's no good people saying it will get better in the end - people live now, their kids are leaving school/college and looking for jobs now and in the next few years and their opportunities are going to be very very reduced.

If we had a strong government with a decent plan it would be different. But we don't.

I think I said it on here before, but the really stateswomenlike thing for May to do would be to say we've got to sort out the NHS and Norhern Ireland - and Trump being elected has changed the global landscape, so for now, we are going to park the EU issue. We will continue to work on a White Paper and will still leave, but we (a) find out if Art 50 is revocable and (b) wait until the end of this year before triggering it, so we can see how global affairs pan out.

Trump being elected has changed the global landscape, so for now, we are going to park the EU issue. We will continue to work on a White Paper and will still leave, but we (a) find out if Art 50 is revocable and (b) wait until the end of this year before triggering it, so we can see how global affairs pan out.

Agree with this favourite. A big part of my worry/anger about the Brexit situation is that we seem determined to burn our bridges at the worst possible time. Our desperation for a trade deal to replace the one we're losing means having to suck up to the US at a time when it's becoming more protectionist and unpredictable. Any resulting deal is likely to make TTIP look like a walk in the park, and will be almost wholly in the US's interest, possibly putting the NHS, food/animal welfare standards etc at risk.

I voted Remain largely because, as imperfect as it is, I'd rather be tied to Europe than forced to sell our soul to America. Especially now. Global events are so unpredictable right now that I'd be wary of jumping into anything.

Mother I can be here without FOM, given Dh's employment. As for FOM, another leave voter here in Brussels was posted to Italy, where he had to pay to get a work permit even though Italy is a member of NATO, (which is why he was posted there), and he is a Brit, so FOM should apply. Italy is repeatedly fined for this, but carries on. Belgium applies a mise en circulation to imported cars from other EU member States, yet a blind eye is turned....free movement of goods? Germany is not fined for having a surplus, Belgium is not fined for missing its targets, nor is France, yet Greece is punished as an example, and still the Greek debt crisis rumbles on. There is no coherence or consistency; the Eurocrats are wedded to their project, and cannot, or do not, want to see the havoc they have wreaked in the southern member states.

The UK has suggested reform to the EU, but it wasn't interested, there is no will to change. I for one, was not willing to stick around and wait for it to happen, hence my leave vote.

I am not sure of your point wrt the imported cars - there is a hefty fine for keeping your car here longer than 6 months if you are caught.

Same here - have you ever worked out how much it would cost to import your UK car to Denmark? It's eye wateringly expensive.

I'm pretty sick of the argument that people didn't know what they were voting for and they weren't given the "facts" (there were no facts because it's impossible to know how it will actually go).
By that logic you should never take any leap into the unknown. Scottish referendum for instance, it is impossible to tell people what an independent Scotland would look like and whether it would be in the EU or have the pound or whether it would be much poorer or fairer. It didn't stop it being a reasonable argument to have and for people to have real reasons for wanting Scottish independence.

Like a lot of people I felt really depressed the days after the Brexit result. But not so much now. It was a democratic vote and that side won. People may have voted for stupid reasons but people vote for stupid reasons every general election and we don't stop those. It wasn't the result I wanted and I fear my life will be effected but I just have to keep going and be happy and the details of Brexit will eventually become clear. Nothing is ever the end of the world we fear it is.

dearie me.

Stop being so goddamn fucking rude. How can you ever expect people to ask questions, educate themselves, if you just snort, belittle and call names?

"By that logic you should never take any leap into the unknown. Scottish referendum for instance, it is impossible to tell people what an independent Scotland would look like"

That's exactly why that referendum was remain though, not enough detailed realistic planning for things that wouldn't be under SNP control...

Turns out they wasted their time doing any planning at all and should have just left it at, we have no plans, but I'm sure it'll be great...

scaryteacher Wed 25-Jan-17 10:53:13

So many people who have actually worked and seen it first hand voted leave.

Its just shocking, no one cares about corruption over there though when there are much easier targets at home, out of sight out of mind, I am alright jack

I posted recently an article from Der Spiegel (sp) on Guns, following the trail of guns - to the Paris attacks, how vital information sat on a desk in Brussels for 6 years with no one acting on it. Sadly even though this article was posted over and over and over after the Paris attacks many remainers didn't see it or read it.
Inconvenient truths. Anything to wriggle out of the cold hard facts.