to still be cross about the outcome of the EU referendum?

[mynamesnotsam]

I'm still so angry and can't forgive those who voted to leave. After the result there was much talk of how the two sides must put aside their differences but I don't feel there has been any attempt to try to appease the 48.1% of people who voted to stay. I also want to rip the head off any one who says it's the will of the people. They should be legally obligated to say it's the will of 51.9 % of the people who voted. If the vote had gone the other way you can bet that UKIP would still be making a huge fuss about it but remainers are expected to "just get over it"!

A further thought on this, do you think referring to 16 million people as losers which May did, while it may be strictly accurate, is not a damaging statement?

I do think it was damaging, divisive, unconstructive and unhelpful.

The white paper says that we get 14 weeks holiday per year. Apparently that was an error and has no legal standing, so can be ignored.

The Tories promised to act upon the results of an advisory referendum - that promise has no legal standing, yet it apparently must be adhered to (despite that fact that supermajorities are required for any binding referendum, and even any strike for that matter).

On this basis we must all have 14 weeks holiday per year as our absolute right, because the white paper says so. At least this will be some kind of compensation for the sh*tstorm that is 'Brexit'.

I do wonder if some of the "unseemly rush" was precisely because (in part anyway) some remainers were talking about not honouring the referendum result.

But then, why should they, when no decent arguments have been put forward for convince them otherwise? When the advisory nature of the Referendum was written into the legislation. When it was only Cameron's promise that the result would be honoured? Cameron who has now cleared off as fast as his legs would carry him. I have heard a Tory in elected office state that the Manifesto was Cameron's work therefore May needn't be held to it, so why should his promise to obey the result? (Leave aside for the moment if May isn't bound by Cameron's manifesto, what manifesto has she?)

For all Remainers and Brexit-regretters, you probably have already seen this but in case you haven't:

metro.co.uk/2017/01/25/huge-protest-planned-to-try-and-block-brexit-6404994/

There is a march being organised to unite for Europe. I think there will be a lot of people who now see it's not the UK 'taking back control' but the UK being like a puppet on a string for the US' entertainment.

Let's keep the fight going for what's right. It's not over till the fat lady sings.

God it makes me cross, Draylon

Wtf will take the place of this revenue?

We had it all, half in the EU, carved out our position as the financial powerhouse, and it is being pissed away at the whim of politicians who gambled and got it wrong.

I'm not from the UK and I really think this will be a disaster for the UK. I think that many (most?) of the politicians believe it too (you may not agree and you may be right, but either way let's not call each other names ).

I think times would still be extremely tough for the UK, and for all of us, if you stayed in the EU. We're heading into some choppy waters whatever happens. But I think if you do it alone you'll be worse off. And I don't trust Trump as far as I could throw him. No idea why May thinks she can .

Sorry meant to say I'm not UK but I AM EU.

I found myself in agreement with a letter in today's Guardian which asks why there is this concentration on Labour MPs not obeying the party whip? It says "about 80 Tory MPs voted to trigger Article 50 against the express wishes of their constituents, surely a much greater crime than ignoring the party whips?"

He names 4 culprits May, IDS, Hammond, Greyling, but he could have added Redwood, and my MP Nicola Blackwood. No doubt if Zak Goldsmith had still been in Parliament he would have voted with the Tories despite being 'Independent'.

Peregrina - I wonder how this will play out for those MPs who voted to trigger Article 50 when their constituents voted overwhelmingly to remain. If (when?) Brexit results in huge job losses and as yet unmeasurable shocks to standards of living, How will those MPs fare?

It's really hard to say whether pissing off Trump is a good idea or not. If he were a normal President, or even Mike Pence, who I might find obnoxious but would basically stick to the rules, I think, then Yes. But Trump is not a normal President, so we are in completely uncharted waters. If pissing him off helps the Americans to legitimately remove him from office, then I don't think many tears will be shed.

Would you really want a trade deal from Trump? I suppose it depends just how low May wishes to stoop.

I think both Nicola Blackwood and Andrew Smith (Labour), both Oxford MPs, have had their cards marked. Andrew Smith did have a reputation as a good constituency MP.

I wonder how this will play out for those MPs who voted to trigger Article 50 when their constituents voted overwhelmingly to remain

Same vice versa. There were a few MPs that voted against triggering who are in leave constituencies.

Piglet - they are the heroes of tomorrow!

they are the heroes of tomorrow!

which neatly takes us back round to the fact that whether you want to stay in the EU or not is an opinion, not some truth given to us from on high.

Thank you Flymetothemoon, I am going to the march even though I live in Yorkshire but I couldn't find a link.

This fight is definitely not over. It will take at least 2 years before we actually leave the EU and in that time when people get poorer and the consequences become clearer, I think it is possible that we won't leave at all. In the meantime we need to write to our MPs and keep the pressure up. The bill has still got to go to the lords and will then go back to MPs and will be back and forth for some time yet, I think.

We need to write to MPs asking them to support an amendment to the bill that includes the option to remain, if no deal is agreed. If this doesn't happen we may have to leave regardless of a deal which would really leave us in a desperate position. This is quite urgent as I believe they are debating this amendment on Monday.

Me too OP

I would like to thank a pp (presumably a leaver), for telling remainers to stop whining and get off their arses and do something about the referendum result.

So I have. I've booked train tickets for me and my DD to go to London on the 25th to march. So glad you've motivated me to do something. I really appreciate it.

Wrong Trouser , sorry I know you posted several days ago but I have just googled the latest polls on Brexit and they all seem to show a swing in favour of remaining. So not sure where you're getting you facts from there. My apologies if this has already been said but I've not worked my way through the full thread yet.

I still think that ultimately the people who will pay the highest cost are those who can least afford it. Everything will go up in price with regards to food unless it is homegrown.

Sadly it won't be until people are hit in the pocket tha they will realise their issues were not the fault of immigrants and that the big bus with the slogan about the NHS told them a pack of lies.

Something here about if you make your own bed.....and lying in it.

allyjay

E.g. Times survey 17-18 January

d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/xalfiwu0ed/TimesResults_170118_VI_Trackers_MaySpeech_W.pdf

Page 3, Q In hindsight do you think the UK was right to vote to leave the EU?

Right to leave 46%
Wrong to leave 42%
Don't know 13%

Which polls are you looking at?

My apologies Wrong Trouser I googled latest Brexit polls and came across a piece from The Independent whose headline was about a swing to remain. It was only when I read it further did it become a bit more inconclusive.

Independent articles always need to be read with a huge pinch of salt