to still be cross about the outcome of the EU referendum?

[mynamesnotsam]

I'm still so angry and can't forgive those who voted to leave. After the result there was much talk of how the two sides must put aside their differences but I don't feel there has been any attempt to try to appease the 48.1% of people who voted to stay. I also want to rip the head off any one who says it's the will of the people. They should be legally obligated to say it's the will of 51.9 % of the people who voted. If the vote had gone the other way you can bet that UKIP would still be making a huge fuss about it but remainers are expected to "just get over it"!

Just picking out a couple of these:

get control of our borders,

There are ample controls, Blair, Cameron and now May have chosen not to use them. Blair out of naivety, Cameron and May because of the easy option of blaming someone else so that the buck doesn't stop with them.

train our own people instead of using a plenty full cheap migrant labour.

Should we look to nursing and midwifery? EU citizens have had it made clear to them that they will no longer be welcome. So what are we doing to train our own?
The Government chose to scrap the bursary for nursing and midwifery, but making them subject to student fees. Both these professions tended to attract mature students, who already have family commitments and budgets to consider, so finding £9000 a year is likely to be a considerable deterent. The end result has been a 23% drop in applications this year, according to the BBC news this morning. Not exactly a promising start to training more is it? Couple this with substantial numbers in both professions reaching retirement age and you have a real staffing crisis brewing.

Even privatising the NHS won't make up for a lack of staff.
Prior to the EU the NHS used to rely on Commonwealth citizens - most of you will have been attended in hospital by at least one. Only problem with that now, is that foreignors with white skins have got the message that they aren't welcome, so how do you expect more with black and brown skins to be welcomed? May's trip to India didn't end well - they wanted a guarantee on Freedom of Movement.

I take it you will be seeking work as a fruit picker, or working in a care home?

What EU Government PantyLiner? We weren't living under one. We never have. The governments own statement today says that our Parliament was always sovereign while in the EU.

I do find it pretty odd that, as I understood it, the overwhelming majority of MPs were against Brexit before the referendum, yet so few voted against it yesterday. Presumably MPs have a better understanding of the likely pros and cons of Brexit than the average voter so I think they had a duty to vote as they really believed was best for the country, especially those from constituencies that voted against Brexit or where the result was very close.

They're politicians. Their only real interest is being re-elected.

Draylon - erm no, nobody has to accept a 'new world order' of fascist beliefs, racial discrimination and hatred.

toomanyholidays I agree, what Trump is doing flies in the face of everything that has been achieved since World War II in the Western world, how can we 'get on with it'?

We should be supporting the US' resistance, otherwise May will be Trump's puppet just like Blair was to Bush, and we will we have blood on our hands

Forget about Trump for a minute or two, what about us?

Two years to go now, and in that time anyone from EU can immigrate. Rightly so, that is EU law. I have no problem with people playing the hiatus between EU free movement and Brexit.

Other countries ALWAYS needed a visa.

And there is a negotiating platform being mooted for UK residents to be accepted in the EU, so long as EU residents are accepted in UK reciprocally.

What is the point of this? Free movement by the back door.

Oh I forgot, it is NEW arrivals on either side post Brexit. Sorry...

Two years to go. Get your bags packed!

I'm angry too!

I am Scottish and angry that the slimeball David Cameron even allowed it to happen. What a Clusterfuck! I'm not a huge fan of the lumbering bureaucracy of the EU but it is a damn sight better than kowtowing to that orange buffoon in The White House.

I know the exit will happen and was saddened to see that the PM is going for the hard exit. I did have a bit of hope with TM but her toadying up to 'Tiny Hands Trump' has diminished all that.

Singa-- what exactly are you angry about ?
Orra-- it wasn't just DC ,parliament voted to have a referendum
Melt-- The government can hardly round up 3.3 million ( who knows exactly how many ) and deport them, it's about controlling your borders from now on,

A pause of 5 - 10 years would be good to get our infrastructure in order, doctors,dentist, schools, hospitals, housing, adult/children social care etc , if you don't know the number of people in or coming to your country how can you plan , unless your rich enough to go private

Bear in mind that during your 5-10 years getting the infrastructure together, the money to fund all these services will dwindle and dwindle as tax revenues decline as multinationals leave the country.

Under a Tory government, with the country in decline, our public services are going to be squeezed beyond belief. If you thought immigrants were the reason you couldn't get a doctors appointment, the next 5-10 years are going to be an eye opener.

I don't understand the thinking here.

Nobody was asked to dissolve the country and become a mere county within the USE. Of course we should have a referendum.

We entered a trade agreement and ended up with a shadow governemnt trying to dictate our asylum policy and keep a database of wrong think.

database of wrong think.

Do they keep that next to the dreaded register of bendy bananas?

DC chose to have a referendum for three reasons. In no particular order: 1) because he never expected to lose it; 2) to try and pop the UKIP balloon; 3) to silence the Eurosceptics within his own party.

He is an arsewipe of the highest order as it had absolutely nothing to do with the actual future of this country.

The official Remain camp were bloody useless in terms of the arguments they put across. Clearly, based on his speech the other day in the House, Ken Clarke should have been involved.

The Leave camp and Farage not only misinformed people but told outright lies. Certain media outlets aided them in this. This is one of the main reasons the Remainers feel aggrieved, because almost immediately the backpedalling started and some who voted to Leave were saying they now felt they had voted the wrong way. However, anyone with 10 minutes and the internet at their disposal could have found out for themselves just how many lies were being told - but they did not. They fell for it. The most important question asked in decades, and most people didn't actually do any research themselves.

Then you had the morons who used the referendum as a vote against the Government. The next morning there were people being interviewed on TV blatantly saying things like "I didn't think we would actually leave, I'm quite shocked, I just wanted to send a message". I also remember interviews with older women who said "I voted Leave because my husband guided me that way".

It is arrant nonsense - whichever way you voted - to feel that the man on the street knows all the ins and outs and minutiae of the arguments for Leave or Remain to a sensible enough level to be able to vote on such a major issue. We elect politicians to act on our behalf for precisely this reason.

Referendums are advisory. It's nonsense to say that any MP who voted not to trigger A50 this week betrayed the electorate or were undemocratic based on the general rules of governments enshrined in Burke, as quoted by Ken Clarke this week. The vast majority of Parliament did not think leaving the EU was in the best interests of this country and even the most ardent Europhiles believe reform is necessary.

DC is the architect of this mess.

In the White Paper Brexit Bill this week, Theresa May actually made the statement that leaving the EU was "the will of 65 million people". That in itself is arrant nonsense and an outright falsehood.

They can't plan to sort out these problems because they don't want to sort them out, not because there are too many people.
Exactly. Read the social care thread in FWR. The tories don't want to pay what is needed to do these things properly and to be fair, the general public don't want to stump up the cash in extra taxes either.

Was 'the will of 65 million' her exact words? I want to send her a postcard telling her that she is lying, so I need to get my facts right.

Found the White paper, so can look for the exact quote myself.

Peregrina I apologise, I was not accurate, having double checked it myself. Here's what she said:

"And another thing that’s important. The essential ingredient of
our success. The strength and support of 65 million people
willing us to make it happen."

So, not entirely what I said, but I'd still say that as many millions of people totally disagree with all this, she doesn't have the support of 65 million people willing her to make it happen.

Yes, I found the quote, told her that I was Remain and have not changed my mind nor have substantial numbers of others changed their minds.

Then I went on to say that since I would not expect a Prime Minister to tell a blatant lie, I have to assume that she is severely mistaken.

Motheroffourdragons

To go back to your post yesterday in response to

Presumably MPs have a better understanding of the likely pros and cons of Brexit than the average voter

This is a joke, yes ?

I have absolutely no confidence that any MP (with the exception of Ken Clarke - caveat, I am not a Tory) has a better understanding of this situation than most folk who have spent the best part of goodness knows how long trying to get their heads round what it all means

So for months some people have been saying that EU membership is too complicated to be put to a referendum and should be decided by our better informed MPs. Now you are saying that you don't even think they understand the situation.

Can I ask whether you think anyone does and if so who are they and should they be running the country for us?