to still be cross about the outcome of the EU referendum?

[mynamesnotsam]

I'm still so angry and can't forgive those who voted to leave. After the result there was much talk of how the two sides must put aside their differences but I don't feel there has been any attempt to try to appease the 48.1% of people who voted to stay. I also want to rip the head off any one who says it's the will of the people. They should be legally obligated to say it's the will of 51.9 % of the people who voted. If the vote had gone the other way you can bet that UKIP would still be making a huge fuss about it but remainers are expected to "just get over it"!

I do find it pretty odd that, as I understood it, the overwhelming majority of MPs were against Brexit before the referendum, yet so few voted against it yesterday. Presumably MPs have a better understanding of the likely pros and cons of Brexit than the average voter so I think they had a duty to vote as they really believed was best for the country, especially those from constituencies that voted against Brexit or where the result was very close.

Not bothered about offending people anymore. That's how I feel and I am bloody angry.

Well that's fine, but don't be suprised when people feel the same towards you.

All this name calling, telling people to fuck off does nothing to help anyone.

the overwhelming majority of MPs were against Brexit before the referendum, yet so few voted against it yesterday

Many voted with their constituents. Mine was an avid Remainer, but the constituency voted leave, so they did yesterday.

Some MPs have given public reasons for why they voted the way they did.

Two that spring to mind are Wes Streeting and Chukka Ummuna.

Presumably MPs have a better understanding of the likely pros and cons of Brexit than the average voter

Not a joke, surely not that contentious as an assumption?

But anyway my point was that I think more of them yesterday should have voted with their initial belief to remain, i.e. like Ken Clarke.

I can understand the argument to vote according to the result of their constituency to an extent. But I think part of that is about protecting their own position and holding onto their power.

@mother, I hope so, but like I said upthread, and you did yourself, spineless is the word alright for a huge number of MPs.

I suppose I live in hope that as things go on and the complexity of achieving a hard Brexit proves difficult, things might just have to soften somewhat.

But we are on the way out the door whatever form Brexit may take in the end.

My young cousin was so looking forward to going to College (still is), and doing an Erasmus exchange. The College will still be ok I reckon but no more exchanges, or even the opportunity to study full time at another (cheaper!) university within the EU under third level UCAS rules.

Just a small part of the impending negotiations I suppose, if it is even on the agenda.

Those rights are being taken away by people too worried about immigration to see what effect they are having on young people

boo You sound like you are too angry to be interested in hearing other people's points of view. But if you're interested, I get very angry too, particularly at people who can't seem to grasp that people who voted leave think and care exactly as much about young people (their own children included). They just differ from remainers in believing that young people will fare better with the UK outside the EU. Not a particularly difficult notion, if you believe we are all equally human.

No I agree, but I think the very fact that most MPs campaigned for remain is significant.

It's pretty clear that Boris and quite a few others didn't really believe in the Leave position and had just picked that side for personal gain in terms of their own career.

I know there are some MPs who wholeheartedly believed and believe in Brexit for whatever reason, and more power to them. At least they've been consistent.

The 'people in this country have had enough of experts' quote really rings true. It's one thing for individuals to choose to ignore the experts, but another thing for MPs to do so IMO.

Mine was an avid Remainer,

Mine was too, and so was her Constituency, so guess which way she voted?
I need only tell you that she is Tory and you have your answer. Funnily enough, despite Equality in Marriage being the will of the people, she voted against that because it was against her beliefs. Strange how Brexit seems to have completely addled her conscience.

Yes can someone please enlighten me how leaving the EU will work out better for our children given that ...

Their right to study and work in the European Union is being taken away from them.

Employment opportunities will be denied them as big multinationals leave the U.K.

With the pound weakening, export duties rising and inflation looking likely, the cost of living will rise for them.

With huge revenue producing sectors like finance packing up and leaving, there'll be less public money for things like NHS, welfare, tax credits and son for them.

But please tell me how it will be better, I'm all ears.

@Laurie,

We will have "our sovereignty back" and we can control those pesky immigrants.

Other than that, I don't know, (nor does anyone else including the Government) but I am sure someone will be along toot sweet to fill us in.

Oh, but I can't give you any answers as to why I voted leave or why I think it will be better for my children out of the EU. I just thought it would mean we wouldn't have so many immigrants from Barbados and I could eat bent bananas again and keep using my Miele hoover.

Alternative version - if you really don't know the reasons people voted leave by now, perhaps have a little search curtesy of Dr Google or on the EU referendum board on MN.

Wrong, just tell your reasoning on the children point because honestly I'm at a loss.

But please tell me how it will be better, I'm all ears.

Let me help you with that Laurie - you Just Have To Believe.

Can you all show or tell me with true and hard facts ( not like the leave or remain campaign ) that we will be worse off after we leave the EU, we just don't know with any certainty. Peoples own life's may be far worse of than yours and wonder what we get for are 10 billon with give to the Eu and feel that money could be better spent, get control of our borders, train our own people instead of using a plenty full cheap migrant labour. They my not be intrested in living and working in the EU, etc etc, until it is all negotiated who knows what we will end up with, you may still be able to travel freely across Europe with just your passport, your children my be able to live and work in Europe with just a visa same as USA etc, Europeans my still be able to work here with a visa etc etc.
There are many reasons why people voted to and wanted to leave the EU everyone will have their reason as you will for wanting to remain, it depends on what you think About the EU as a organisation, what it has or has not done for you, I could carry on but I know your minds are made up and you can only see your own point of view and think everybody else is wrong.

PantyLiner, I have no proof of course as we haven't left yet, but how can e.g. The loss of the financial services sector do anything but make the country poorer? We have no major manufacturing base to replace it with. You mention under funded schools and care homes; surely down to an austerity Tory government, not the EU? You mention a leadership which doesn't have people's interests at heart, well yes, the Tories. And when they can erode maternity leave rights, and employee rights, once free from the 'shackles' of the EU, you can bet they will. More people on zero hours contracts, more uncertainty, more pain

So can you guarantee the UK would be a wonderful place under the EU Government?? What do you think would have changed - bearing in mind we have not yet left the EU and there was - and still is - a Tory party in charge of our country. What exactly do you think the future holds for the UK if we were to remain under the EU dictatorship??

I could carry on but I know your minds are made up and you can only see your own point of view and think everybody else is wrong.

Um, as an argument against the utter perfidiousness of one's opponents in a discussion, that only kind of works if you're contrasting your particular virtue as not thinking your opponents are wrong .

I'm cross still too - and a bit impatient with people who aren't still cross about it.

Sure is a divided Kingdom now. United my foot.

Anyway, surely now is the time for all those EU nationals to flood in while they can. Millions of them and they cannot be stopped for two years.

Then the drawbridge can go up.