to still be cross about the outcome of the EU referendum?

[mynamesnotsam]

I'm still so angry and can't forgive those who voted to leave. After the result there was much talk of how the two sides must put aside their differences but I don't feel there has been any attempt to try to appease the 48.1% of people who voted to stay. I also want to rip the head off any one who says it's the will of the people. They should be legally obligated to say it's the will of 51.9 % of the people who voted. If the vote had gone the other way you can bet that UKIP would still be making a huge fuss about it but remainers are expected to "just get over it"!

In what way will it be greyer, Alconleigh?

Fuckoff What evidence do you have that all those who didn't vote opposed Brexit? . I really don't think you can claim/spin them as remainers though, as they didn't turn out to support remain.

Grey is subjective, I grant you.

What I meant by it was that I view membership of the EU as something that broadens us; our academic institutions, the cross EU initiatives and research, our people's freedom to work elsewhere, the coming into contact with people from other countries who've come to live here, the facing the world and being a part of it. I view all that as colour and vibrancy and strength. And shutting those doors as the opposite. As I said that's subjective stuff, and quite hard to articulate. It's a visceral, instinctive thing though which I didn't even know I felt so strongly about until it was taken away.

I think the presumption is that people who didn't vote are either not bothered either way or can't make up their minds.

With GE we don't add the non-voters to the sitting candidate, do we?

Everyone who had the chance to vote and didn't, well they didn't so they don't get to have a say.

Alcon Thanks for explaining. I disagree but thank you.

I still can't, 7 months in, fathom how the ordinary working people of Stoke, Wales etc think their lives are going to be better out of the EU. We will all be poorer. In a narrower, greyer little country

Do you have concrete evidence to back up your claim that the ordinary, working people of Stoke and Wales will be poorer for leaving the UK?

Did you know that the steelworks were dumped by the EU? Did you know that the steel workers fought to re-instate their jobs at the steelworks in Wales? Remaining within the EU wouldn't do anything at all for Wales. In fact did you know the EU gave Wales in excess of £100,000 with the proviso that they used it to erect a monstrosity to remember a Welsh ship builder. Fat lot of good that done given all the things that money could have been spent on to make the lives of oaps - and children in education a little easier. My sons school has buckets congregated along the corridors to catch rain water that drips from the roof. My mother cannot gain a place in an oap home despite her being 92, having dementia and being unable to be left on her own.

Please provide evidence that Wales would be better off remaining within a leadership who has the best interests of Brussels and Germany at the forefront....

I think that for people who don't vote the presumption is that they are happy with the status quo

I don't think that is quite true tbh.

I think if you don't vote the assumption is you are either happy with whatever the result is or you dislike all options.

Aw don't be angry OP.
Maybe you could write to Jeremy and get him to organize a protest.

Today 15:36 Draylon

Margaret Thatcher was the death-knell of the steel works.

😂😂😂. No! Margaret Thatcher was the death of the collieries. The steel works are still in operation - much to the dismay of the EU, who had no problem seeing their demise last year!

I voted leave and I'm happy I did, the economy hasn't collapsed like all the nay Sayers thought it would. Can't wait to be out completely, and respect to Theresa May, 'out means out!'

We aren't out yet mama
I'm also angry and not at all looking forward to inflation caused by the weak pound starting to bite later this year. And that's before we've left.
Who are we going to trade with? And what are we going to trade? The US is going to add 35% on non-us goods. Not enough of us speak other languages because we like to think we can rely on Europe. We are fucked.

I am scared and terrified and bloody furious at brexit still.

It is a narrow-minded ridiculous decision by quitters. Where do they honestly think a huge chunk (£80bn or so) of tax revenue will come from when we lose the majority of the financial services industry?

Not an exaggeration - banks are already moving - all others who rely on EU passporting will have to do the same. Insurance/asset managment/etc.

What do we actually make anymore in the UK? Our industry is pretty much a service industry. Any manufacturing we have relies heavily on imports that are now going to be taxed/tarrifed to buggery if we leave the EU. Oh and you won't be able to find people to carry out the low paying jobs either - cleaners/factories/fruit picking - mostly EU workers etc. cost of everything will have to increase.

And personally - I'm angry at having rights removed that I want to keep. I want to be able to travel freely, move around Europe. I want my kids to be able to study easily in Europe, visit their friends and family. Those rights are being taken away by people too worried about immigration to see what effect they are having on young people. if I hear one more bloody word about "claiming back sovereignty" I shall scream. it never bloody went anywhere!

I stand to lose my job, my house, my family's future if the UK leaves.

Its not "the will of the people", its the will of some people, and mostly those who really don't understand the implications of this - to be honest it is really bloody complicated and despite studying EU law for some time there are things I still don't understand.

Not bothered about offending people anymore. That's how I feel and I am bloody angry.

Article 50 will be triggered in March, there is no going back now. All the moaning in the world won't change anything WRT that fact.

The impact of Brexit will not be felt for two years from then, and along the way we will get good news and bad news about the impact of this on lives, work, travel, immigration, EU citizens already here, trade deals and so on.

There is a lot to be discussed and agreed (where possible!) over a tight two year window, I don't think it will be enough time myself. It is coming up to eight months since the vote, and that has gone in a flash.

Anyway, we will see as we go. Once the trigger is pulled no amount of disussion on message boards will change the fact that the UK is exiting.

Discussion however may turn towards the complications being encountered and the effect the negotiations for exit will have on people, because no one has a clue right now what the effects will be. It's all guess work really, with one side saying one thing, and the other something else.

It will a very interesting two years.

All the moaning in the world won't change anything WRT that fact
People raising valid concerns aren't moaning, fuck off with that. We are as entitled to an opinion and feelings about it as you.
I think it's going to be like Trump, with a lot of Brexit voters suddenly realising WTF they've done when unemployment continues to spiral in their area, prices go up and taxes too because the country is bust.
How much sympathy should I have after being called a "bremoaner" and told "shut up, you lost?"

People raising valid concerns aren't moaning, fuck off with that. We are as entitled to an opinion and feelings about it as you.

I agree with you, I'm talking about moaning in general, I moan because things are unkown and unplanned in all this, not because Brexit will happen.

How much sympathy should I have after being called a "bremoaner" and told "shut up, you lost?"

But you ARE moaning!
You have just told someone to Fuck Off! and yet you are upset at being called bremoaner?

For all their faults, I hear far more Fuck Offs and vitriol towards people who say they voted Brexit than the other way around.

I voted to remain and I still feel angry. I've always looked towards Europe, and I've lived and studied there. If the shit hits the fan, thanks to an Irish parent, have the choice of living in the EU.

I feel sorry for the suckers, who voted to leave, and then asked why the EU funding for their area was stopping. The turkeys voting for Christmas.

@Mother

Yes we can discuss what out might mean to us as individuals or society for sure, but we have absolutely no control over it. It will really be what we are given by others. What do we have to give in return?

Parliament will vote on any final deal. Just like they are doing at the moment re A 50. Final deal or no deal I think I heard May saying at one point?

I'm with you Boo. I've pretty much lost all respect for my father for voting to leave. I can't get past an act of sabotage against the life of his children and grandchildren. He doesn't view it that way but there it is.

PantyLiner, I have no proof of course as we haven't left yet, but how can e.g. The loss of the financial services sector do anything but make the country poorer? We have no major manufacturing base to replace it with. You mention under funded schools and care homes; surely down to an austerity Tory government, not the EU? You mention a leadership which doesn't have people's interests at heart, well yes, the Tories. And when they can erode maternity leave rights, and employee rights, once free from the 'shackles' of the EU, you can bet they will. More people on zero hours contracts, more uncertainty, more pain.

Personally I think there will be a renaissance of the left, but it will be in about 15-20 years when the fall out from all this has actually kicked in. Mind you, the Orange one might have killed us all in a nuclear war by then; one way to solve the ageing population issue.

The sad part is MOTHER, that as I said the level of Brexit soft or hard is not up for discussion anymore, it's hard Brexit and that's final.

That's what concerns me. The train is thundering down the tracks but we don't know where it will stop for ourselves, society and our children.

It is so unreal really. And very very few in Parliament had the guts to go with their instincts and vote down the triggering of A50, because none of them want the GE and to lose their seats. I'm not necessarily talking about those who would vote against, but Labour being decimated in the event of a GE.

How terribly hypocritical really, as I doubt all those who voted for A50 really believe in it TBH. All they can spout out is "it's the will of the people" and "I am voting for the good of the country as a whole" Snort.