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to still be cross about the outcome of the EU referendum?

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mynamesnotsam · 24/01/2017 21:38

I'm still so angry and can't forgive those who voted to leave. After the result there was much talk of how the two sides must put aside their differences but I don't feel there has been any attempt to try to appease the 48.1% of people who voted to stay. I also want to rip the head off any one who says it's the will of the people. They should be legally obligated to say it's the will of 51.9 % of the people who voted. If the vote had gone the other way you can bet that UKIP would still be making a huge fuss about it but remainers are expected to "just get over it"!

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InformalRoman · 28/01/2017 17:35

I wonder how close the result would have been if 16 and 17 year olds had been able to vote, as they had in the Scottish Indyref?

FuckOffDailyMailQuitQuotingMN · 28/01/2017 17:43

I think there were 1.5 million of them?

That seems the most tragic of all the tragedies of the referendum, that the people who will be most significantly impacted had no voice.

I don't know how it could be said to be democratic without including them?

LaurieMarlow · 28/01/2017 17:45

So no answers to the hard questions apart from 'not really my problem, shrug'. So far, so predictable.

I'm depressed by the fact that leavers seem to have been influenced by woolly, abstract concepts like sovereignty, 'taking back control' or freedom from those pesky banana laws.

Yet spent no time thinking about the very real things they were throwing away, their justification for that and what to do to lessen the impact.

I'm still waiting for your economic ideas leavers. Where's the money coming from when we Brexit?

Draylon · 28/01/2017 17:50

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BromptonOratory · 28/01/2017 17:50

Quite agree Laurie. And actually I would like to see the electoral register forms in the future including some nuclear physics questions to weed out anyone having the temerity to take a part in our democracy unless they are a scientist and have an in depth working knowledge of EURATOM. Unless they live in NI of course, they can all keep the vote.

TheElementsSong · 28/01/2017 17:59

weed out anyone having the temerity to take a part in our democracy unless they are a scientist and have an in depth working knowledge of EURATOM

Yes, because any attempt to ask whether people have thoughts about some actual impacts that are actually happening as a consequence of this result is an elitist plot to disenfranchise the great British public Hmm.

BromptonOratory · 28/01/2017 18:10

If you read Lauries post, s/he said

So no answers to the hard questions apart from 'not really my problem, shrug'. So far, so predictable

I'm depressed by the fact that leavers seem to have been influenced by woolly, abstract concepts like sovereignty, 'taking back control' or freedom from those pesky banana laws

Yet spent no time thinking about the very real things they were throwing away, their justification for that and what to do to lessen the impact

So pretty clearly implying that leave voters didn't really know what they were doing, based on not many takers for the solutions to EURATOM and NI.

I think that sort of attitude is about trying to disenfranchise people.

extrabiotin · 28/01/2017 18:19

I'll say this. Two years post A50 is just so aspirational!

There is so much to be sorted, I can't see it being finished by then if it is triggered in March.

So seven months in, does anyone actually know (whatever way you voted), what the implications good or bad actually are WRT Brexit? I don't think anyone knows yet, even Saint Theresa of the Roses. LOL.

Anyway, NI/ROI/UK relationships will suffer. That is quite sad. No mention of NI anywhere AFAIS. But then again the Tories would be quite happy to just unhitch the Province anyway. But there is more to it than that in the mix, think Hard Borders, resurgence of terrorism, all the hard work done up to now gone.

I realise NI in the grand scheme of things is a blot on the landscape, but it shouldn't be. Like Scotland it is part of the United Kingdom, and ROI and UK have a unique relationship now that was hard won by the Good Friday Agreement.

I hope that is not affected by Brexit.

LaurieMarlow · 28/01/2017 18:19

It was a really big decision Brompton, in your hands, affecting the entire future of this country.

Yes, I think you should have educated yourself before upturning the status quo. I'm astonished many disagree, but I'm making no apologies for my position.

And still no answers, only an attempt to denigrate.

Pancakechica · 28/01/2017 18:34

To answer the original OP, yes I am still angry about the referendum outcome for all the reasons outlined by Draylon 17.02

I'm also mortified that May has aligned herself with Trump. I feel the need to apologise to all my EU colleagues and friends.

user1481838270 · 28/01/2017 18:40

Being led up the garden path:

to still be cross about the outcome of the EU referendum?
TheElementsSong · 28/01/2017 19:07

I think that sort of attitude is about trying to disenfranchise people.

I don't think that's what disenfranchisement means. Heck, I didn't fully understand what I was voting for and admitted as much! Now that it has all turned out even more complicated than most of us expected (and surely this is not really controversial?) and there are a bunch of unforeseen consequences, what is wrong with asking people what their thoughts are about these?

I can, for example, tell you my thoughts about NI and the GFA: fuuuuuuccckkkk please don't let this blow up and destroy the peace. On snuggling up to Trump: ohhhh myyyy God how mortifying and revolting. On the economy so far not collapsing: oh phew, long may it continue.

fakenamefornow · 28/01/2017 20:40

I bet we wouldn't be so keen to go sucking up to Trump if it wasn't for Brexit. I feel quite sorry for TM really, but what choice does she have.

Draylon · 28/01/2017 21:50

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TheElementsSong · 28/01/2017 21:57

Unforeseen?

Well, I'm trying to be generous Grin I wouldn't like to think that anybody totally knew that, for example, NI would be totally screwed up by Brexit and thought "Haha, sod them!"

sweetlunchesoversavoury · 28/01/2017 22:03

I am really disappointed now, I voted to leave, for completely theological reasons, I bought into Daniel Hannan's speeches on how the EU was anti-democratic - genuinely this was my reason, I really really regret it now. I feel like I voted alongside racists, ofcourse there will be some with no malicious intentions, but I can't get over the fact that I didn't see this coming i.e May now in bed with Trump. I wish we were still planning on staying in the EU so we didn't need to cozy up to Trump for trade deals. I feel sick about the UK being friendly with Trump, his latest racist endeavour banning people from 7 Muslim countries coming into the US is nothing else but Hitler-esque, I never ever ever thought beyond the fact that the EU had stupid laws that affected small businesses etc. and I really really regret that as the wider implications of leaving the EU are now evident and I can't believe how blinkered I was

tabulahrasa · 28/01/2017 22:05

"I wouldn't like to think that anybody totally knew that, for example, NI would be totally screwed up by Brexit and thought "Haha, sod them!""

Well you'd hope not, but it was obvious that brexit had/has the potential to cause a huge issue...

BromptonOratory · 28/01/2017 22:54

It was a really big decision Brompton, in your hands, affecting the entire future of this country

Yes, I think you should have educated yourself before upturning the status quo

It must be fantastic to know everything about someone from reading a few posts on MN.

BromptonOratory · 28/01/2017 23:02

what is wrong with asking people what their thoughts are about these?

Absolutely nothing wrong with that Elements. I wouldn't bother posting on here if I didn't think discussion was worthwhile. What I am objecting to is asking questions and then using the lack of an adequate (in the poster's eyes) response to denigrate leavers in general, or particular. (See Laurie's post implying I know bugger all).

BromptonOratory · 28/01/2017 23:05

And I'm struggling to work out quite how to express this, but I actually feel there is something a bit crass and which leaves rather a nasty taste in the mouth about using NI and the fears over destabilisation of the GFA as a stick to beat leavers with.

GeordieShorefg · 28/01/2017 23:07

OP, were you not breast fed enough as a child? Or helicopter parented? You seem to be unable to handle not everything being how you want it to be

Tough fucking shit

TheElementsSong · 28/01/2017 23:09

OP, were you not breast fed enough as a child? Or helicopter parented? You seem to be unable to handle not everything being how you want it to be

Tough fucking shit

Oh that's me convinced.

BromptonOratory · 28/01/2017 23:13

Just to clarify my post at 23.05 was not aimed at you Elements

tabulahrasa · 28/01/2017 23:15

"I actually feel there is something a bit crass and which leaves rather a nasty taste in the mouth about using NI and the fears over destabilisation of the GFA as a stick to beat leavers with."

It was pretty widely discussed before the referendum as well, I'm pretty sure then it was scaremongering... so when is the right time to raise it?

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