to still be cross about the outcome of the EU referendum?

[mynamesnotsam]

I'm still so angry and can't forgive those who voted to leave. After the result there was much talk of how the two sides must put aside their differences but I don't feel there has been any attempt to try to appease the 48.1% of people who voted to stay. I also want to rip the head off any one who says it's the will of the people. They should be legally obligated to say it's the will of 51.9 % of the people who voted. If the vote had gone the other way you can bet that UKIP would still be making a huge fuss about it but remainers are expected to "just get over it"!

Now I understand, now I rectify.

Good post brompton

So: What we should do about all complex questions arising from the referendum result is and and

Who knows what the future holds, but it cannot be worse than what we already have.

You mean it doesn't matter if many people lose their jobs, the NHS collapses, benefit payments severely cut?

Leavers should bloody well be fighting to mitigate the damage.

I am and I didn't even vote leave.

How can you not?

You Shrug your shoulders at NI just because you were ignorant?

Meanwhile: EURATOM anyone? I'm sure there is some way in which we can justify pulling out of a 6 decade old cross national agreement on atomic safety?

Grand I didn't shrug my shoulders. I explained my position.

Whatever the result of the referendum, the future would be worse than the present. It was just a case of deciding whether the UK wanted to have a worse future within the EU, or a worse future outside of it. The present isn't all that great, but the future would have been worse however the public had voted. Like the US election, the choice was effectively "would you rather get shot or be stabbed?" There was no "right" or "wrong" choice, there were just two "wrong" ones.

The point of a democracy is that people make decisions that others don't agree with. I would rather live in a country where the public make "wrong" decisions than a country where the public have no say in who runs the country or what they do.

It's like the neverendum in Scotland. I think it would be bad if they vote to leave the UK - bad for Scotland, bad for the rest of the UK - but if they choose to do so in the second referendum, the third referendum or whenever - that is the choice that the Scottish public make. But whatever the outcome, people who voted the other way will have to live with the consequences.

Think of the disaster that was Tony Blair and "New Labour". People were passionate about kicking the "evil Tories" out and expected a better future. What a let down that was! Blair introduced Student Loans, saddling students with debt. Blair allowed the country to rack up obscene levels of debt. He did more damage to the country than anything the "evil Tories" had managed, damage that the country will be paying for for decades to come. And that was with 43.2% of the vote in 1997, 40.7% in 2001 and 35.2% in 2005. A mandate to run the country from well under half of the voting public. So when we have a referendum and something is favoured by the majority, we have to accept it.

YY Draylon exactly! I don't know what I'm supposed to be accepting. The pat reply is simply "that we're leaving the EU!" and everything else is .

And as for "pulling together" nobody ever tells me what this mysterious work is that we are all meant to be doing, because there is no coherent shared vision for the future, is there?

To be fair, Brompton, if your explanation of your position is " I'm not sure why I need to have a solution or if my uninformed views would be either constructive or welcomed by people actually dealing with the reality"; many Remainers feel that overwhelming numbers of Leave votes were cast with that premise, i.e. 'I have no idea how any of this EU thingy works but I'm going to vote Leave anyway, and will cite ignorance of the facts as my justification'

I'm sure many remainers do think that of leavers, and put the differences in how people voted down to remainers having superior understanding, knowledge and intelligence to leave voters.

Many remainers thinking something however does not make it true.

Let's not revert back to ad hominem attacks - which have been on both sides on this thread. No one more intelligent than anyone else. No one is superior in any way to anyone else.

Here are some ways that the UK might change after Brexit. Some of them positive which is why I chose this list. These will be some of the things we are being called to "accept".
mashable.com/2016/06/04/eu-referendum-brexit-issues/

We will also have to accept a grossly undervalued pound, inflation, increased prices of goods and services, and the poor will be poorer in real terms even before A50 is triggered.

Who was googling it?

Please let's not have the googling the EU thing again, it's just as tedious as the young people not voting myth.

Can't ever stay on topic, can we?

Crashing pound, rising inflation, dismantling of the city, brain drain, out of Euratom, loss of car manufacturing, loss of research centres, what else has been said here over and over?

The poor will be poorer in real terms.

My problem with the googling thing is that we don't know who googled - was it Leavers, Remainers, non-voters...?

I'm not the thread police anyway.

Just can't bear to hear the you are a racist, stupid, etc derailment again, it just descends into pointless attacks.

...children, people in the UK on holiday. Also the "spike" was about 1000 searches. Not really very good evidence for leavers not knowing why they voted leave.

www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/06/27/were-brits-really-googling-what-is-the-eu-after-voting-to-leave/

Sorry, I am GrandCentral - I NC all the time, didn't think I'd be posting again until Tues/Wes so figured I'd have dropped out of all threads by next week! NCed back as it seemed weird to NC in the middle of a thread.