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to still be cross about the outcome of the EU referendum?

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mynamesnotsam · 24/01/2017 21:38

I'm still so angry and can't forgive those who voted to leave. After the result there was much talk of how the two sides must put aside their differences but I don't feel there has been any attempt to try to appease the 48.1% of people who voted to stay. I also want to rip the head off any one who says it's the will of the people. They should be legally obligated to say it's the will of 51.9 % of the people who voted. If the vote had gone the other way you can bet that UKIP would still be making a huge fuss about it but remainers are expected to "just get over it"!

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user1481838270 · 27/01/2017 19:45

Nearly every company is starting to get its ducks in a row to prepare for the worst-case scenario of a hard Brexit. No final decisions will be made until the Brexit terms are clear.

If worst comes to worst, the UK economy could possibly experience a dead-cat bounce in 2018 and 2019 with lots of activity in the lead up to a departure.

The brunt of a hard Brexit will be felt in 2020/2021.

FuckOffDailyMailQuitQuotingMN · 27/01/2017 19:48

Ok that's what I had thought re the leaving. That's what I see as well around me but I don't know anyone in manufacturing.

Thanks.

TheElementsSong · 27/01/2017 19:49

Shocking news that A50 bill pulls us out of Euratom

I just can't understand why this is happening - surely even the most ardent of the Brexit cheerleaders weren't demanding that we should demolish a 60-year-old nuclear safety agreement and scientific community so we can Take Back Control of our very own 3-headed fish and radiation sickness? Shock Any Leavers have any insights here?

FuckOffDailyMailQuitQuotingMN · 27/01/2017 19:56

Pleas I'd like to hear as well. This is bad news.

Livelovebehappy · 27/01/2017 20:17

The EU was introduced with good intentions and started off well. But it has developed into a monster over the years and is governed by inept people who abuse the powers they have, and where financial abuse and corruption lies beneath the surface. We need an alternative. I voted leave, and am still very confident with my decision, as are many of my friends and family. Who knows what the future holds, but it cannot be worse than what we already have. I understand people are afraid and worried about change, but I can't understand why people think what we currently have is so good?

FuckOffDailyMailQuitQuotingMN · 27/01/2017 20:22

So what will replace The City?
What will replace the brain drain?
How the fuck will we manage out of Euratom?
What leverage at all do we have to negotiate any trade deals?
What will we do if manufacturing (that is left) moves to stay in the single market?

TheElementsSong · 27/01/2017 20:22

I can't understand why people think what we currently have is so good?

I happen to think EURATOM, for example, is a good thing. You honestly think it is an example of a monstrous EU and that we should demolish this 60-year-old nuclear safety agreement for an undefined alternative for an unknown timescale? Please - I want to understand!

FuckOffDailyMailQuitQuotingMN · 27/01/2017 20:23

Who knows what the future holds, but it cannot be worse than what we already have.

Fucking hell if it can't.

FuckOffDailyMailQuitQuotingMN · 27/01/2017 20:25

What about NI?
Where are the leave answers?

TalkinPeace · 27/01/2017 20:55

is governed by inept people who abuse the powers they have, and where financial abuse and corruption lies beneath the surface. We need an alternative.
says the person who does not realise that

the EU has 33,000 bureaucrats
the UK has 440,000 ....

the UK has exempted itself from many EU transparency rules
and was instrumental in allowing shite Diesel car regs
let alone the utter opacity of PFI

birdybirdywoofwoof · 27/01/2017 21:50

The future cannot be worse than what we already have

That is the sort of statement that I find...beyond staggering.

TheElementsSong · 28/01/2017 10:43

That is the sort of statement that I find...beyond staggering

Interesting too, that when specific examples are offered for discussion (like EURATOM, or kissing up to protofascists for trade deals) we get tumbleweed. I am genuinely eager to learn how, specifically, others who are full of hope and optimism envisage that past arrangements were so nightmarishly hellish that the future cannot be worse.

GrandCentral · 28/01/2017 10:51

I am genuinely eager to learn how, specifically, others who are full of hope and optimism envisage that past arrangements were so nightmarishly hellish that the future cannot be worse.

I am too. I was given some hope yesterday in a discussion with a friend who said that apparently the leavers (and I think he said a vast majority such as 70%) will only tolerate a loss of quality of living up to £100 per month for the sake of Brexit.

I found this oddly reassuring- I'd like to find the source and also I'd like to know what they will be doing when the threshold is crossed!?

All I can think is "pitchforks in the streets plan" which in theory I'm not opposed to but I'm not a leaver so maybe they have better ideas.

LaurieMarlow · 28/01/2017 11:34

It's telling that all the leavers have disappeared in the face of the hard questions.

But I'd love to see some ideas and answers.

Given our trading conditions are going to become much more expensive and cumbersome, given our lack of exports, given the imminent loss of our most lucrative service industry (as a direct result of Brexit), given the impact on research as we lose EU funding ...

What will plug the gap and drive our economy?

And while you're at it, how do you purpose we handle Northern Ireland?

And I hope to god even one of you gave this some thought before you voted leave.

SalemsCat · 28/01/2017 11:57

it can't be worse than what we already have seriously! Confused

TheElementsSong · 28/01/2017 12:14

I'd even be vaguely pleased with an acknowledgement of the "We've already answered every possible scenario that we completely foresaw and planned for, a million times and you just keep disagreeing and so we're not telling you ever again etc etc"

InformalRoman · 28/01/2017 12:15

GrandCentral It was a YouGov poll for Open Britain - this page has a download of the results:

www.open-britain.co.uk/miliband_new_poll_shows_government_faces_almighty_backlash_from_leave_voters_if_brexit_leaves_them_poorer

GrandCentral · 28/01/2017 12:27

Wow that's a damning enditement, thanks for finding that informal

That does give me some hope actually. I can't see any government delivering without far greater impact than those numbers.

I wonder if there are demographics of leave voters? Even an increase in the CPI as predicted over this year could leave some if not many worse off depending on their incomes.

Unfortunately the decline will be slow to the run up and people tend to tolerate a slow decline far more readily than a quick one.

GrandCentral · 28/01/2017 12:33

"The poll, conducted by YouGov, also shows that very few Leave voters are prepared to be left much worse off by leaving the EU. Only one in ten who backed Leave in June would be prepared to be more than £100 a month worse off. The poll also reveals that very few Leave voters thought that they would be made poorer by Brexit, with just 11% believing that their personal finances would be negatively affected.

This demonstrates why it is essential that the Government delivers a new settlement with the EU which protects the UK economy and families’ living standards. For Open Britain, this underlines why it is essential that the UK remains in the Single Market."

But we aren't staying in the single market.

90% wouldn't tolerate being £100 a month worse off! That has to be good, right?

aprilanne · 28/01/2017 12:36

you sound like a toddler screaming its not fair all adults got a legal vote you lost grow up .are you some relation to nicola sturgeon she is the same always crying she lost and its no fair

GrandCentral · 28/01/2017 12:37

Please can you point out who here has said that it isn't fair?

Can you help out with answering any of the questions that have been put forward here time and time again.

SalemsCat · 28/01/2017 12:43

Perhaps you're prepared to be financially worse off april?

SalemsCat · 28/01/2017 12:44

Also the referendum was advisory and not legally binding.

BromptonOratory · 28/01/2017 14:07

And while you're at it, how do you purpose we handle Northern Ireland?

And I hope to god even one of you gave this some thought before you voted leave

As a leave voter I can say that I quite honestly have absolutely no idea. I actually think it would be quite arrogant for me to be proposing solutions to the GFA issues. I don't live in NI, I am interested in the history and politics if Ireland/NI, but know very little. I'm not sure why I need to have a solution or if my uninformed views would be either constructive or welcomed by people actually dealing with the reality.

I also think it's relevant to point out that NI voted 44% leave: 56% remain with a turnout of 63%. So 37% of the NI electorate didn't feel strongly enough either way to vote, and 65% didn't vote remain.

I'm not entirely convinced it's reasonable to expect non-NI voters to have a clearer idea of the effect of Brexit on NI, and feel more strongly about it than the people of NI.

GrandCentral · 28/01/2017 14:21

Did you have any idea that Brexit would further destabilise NI? brompton?

I didn't. If I, as a remain voter, had genuinely understood the extent of the downward spiral that Brexit was going to plunge us into I would have dedicated my days prior to the vote to working against leave vote.

As it was, it was my husband who went through the realities prior to the vote while I kept trying to tell him things would be ok. How wrong I was. The further into this we go, the worse and worse it gets.

Now I am doing what I can to work to halt/slow the decline.