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to still be cross about the outcome of the EU referendum?

893 replies

mynamesnotsam · 24/01/2017 21:38

I'm still so angry and can't forgive those who voted to leave. After the result there was much talk of how the two sides must put aside their differences but I don't feel there has been any attempt to try to appease the 48.1% of people who voted to stay. I also want to rip the head off any one who says it's the will of the people. They should be legally obligated to say it's the will of 51.9 % of the people who voted. If the vote had gone the other way you can bet that UKIP would still be making a huge fuss about it but remainers are expected to "just get over it"!

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Yabbadabbo2 · 26/01/2017 18:28

birdy
The fear of losing a job is not exclusive to brexit and has long existed. Ask the youth of greece and spain how the eu has worked for them.

Flugelpip · 26/01/2017 18:29

I work with someone who was in her twenties when the UK entered the EEC and she is bitterly upset about Brexit. Her mother, who is 91, cried. So let's not have the 'you're too young to remember the good old days' line.

TalkinPeace · 26/01/2017 18:30

Brexiters say it will be OK
but provide no evidence

when I post a reminder of how Trade worked before the single market it is very loudly ignores

Yup, the Brexiters will blame everything except their own arrogance when it goes tits up.

Flugelpip · 26/01/2017 18:31

That's Spain where 81% of people think the EU is a good thing, yes, Yabba?

Yabbadabbo2 · 26/01/2017 18:32

fluge
Yet over 40% youth unemployment and increasing? You telling me the eu means the youth have a future?

MrBennOfFestiveRoad · 26/01/2017 18:33

The lack of information/understanding regarding both remaining and leaving still annoys me. I voted remain and still believe in that, however, in the past few days there has been a Brexit-related news item that I know lots about due to my work but reading the news and social media, neither side understood the reasons why it is an issue/the potential outcome correctly. I resisted commenting to correct well-intentioned remainers in case my words were taken in support of Brexit but felt tempted to contact the pro-remain public figure to explain it properly to them. That's just one example that I happened to understand but how could anyone, remain or leave, be expected to vote on this without really understanding all of the implications either way?

Flugelpip · 26/01/2017 18:33

You're telling me you know more about Spain's economy than the Spanish do, Yabba?

Yabbadabbo2 · 26/01/2017 18:35

Im stating fact not opinion or conjecture but i suppose thats not sufficent?

Flugelpip · 26/01/2017 18:37

The fact that Spain overwhelmingly feels EU membership is beneficial should be enough for you not to drag them into your argument. They don't agree with you. Spain's economy has many reasons for weakness but EU membership is not one of them.

MrBennOfFestiveRoad · 26/01/2017 18:38

Not sure how clear my last post was! Brexit is definitely a negative for the example that I was referring to, it's just that most people, senior public figures, included, don't actually understand why.

pipsqueak25 · 26/01/2017 18:38

fluge you are refering to TWO people out of millions who were around at the time when we went into the eu. i am entitled to 'trot out' whatever i like, thank you, there is no such thing as the 'good old days' there have always been problems of one sort or another in politics and daily life.

Flugelpip · 26/01/2017 18:41

You are of course entitled to talk about your own experiences, pipsqueak but you are ONE person out of millions. And that's pretty much my point. You may remember it positively, but they remember it as a bleak time and feel the EU was a positive aspect of contemporary life.

birdybirdywoofwoof · 26/01/2017 18:42

Thanks yadda, yes, a very kind and considerate response. Empathy!

Pip, patronising, generalisation I'm afraid. Please don't be ageist (even if it's only against remainers.

LaurieMarlow · 26/01/2017 18:42

Question for leavers. What do you think the UK has to offer the world as a sole entity from an economic point of view?

Exports? Well, we don't make much anymore, but I'm all ears.

Services? Financial services will be hit like a tonne of bricks by the loss of pass porting. That's an enormous amount of revenue right there.

Negotiating a deal with UK will be a faff and take years. What does the UK have that they can't get elsewhere? Why would they bother?

Yabbadabbo2 · 26/01/2017 18:42

fluge
So economies can have weakness whilst in the eu? Could the uk have strength in its economy outside the eu?

Yabbadabbo2 · 26/01/2017 18:46

laurie
What does the uk have now that you can't get elsewhere whilst were still in the eu?

pipsqueak25 · 26/01/2017 18:51

fluge and my sparring partner birdy i was one of millions but... i did not say it was a positive time to live through, it was full of uncertainty just as it is now, and people were just as angry and concerned then. sorry, but people today don't have the monopoly on concerns how such major changes could pan out.

Flugelpip · 26/01/2017 18:51

yabba I'm doing bathtime so I can't continue this conversation (perils of Mumsnet) but I suppose you'd better hope the UK can find some positives in the post-EU world. I honestly can't see any, and that's not a swipe. I do not see any advantage at all to losing direct access to the customers who buy the vast majority of the UK's exports. Sorry.

pipsqueak25 · 26/01/2017 18:54

birdy for the record i don't give a damn who voted for what last year. i certainly haven't stopped talking to anyone as a result.

Yabbadabbo2 · 26/01/2017 18:54

fluge
There will always be debate the short answer is where will we be in 50 years time. Whether we are In or out of eu the simple answer is no one knows

FuckOffDailyMailQuitQuotingMN · 26/01/2017 18:56

Today 18:46 Yabbadabbo2

laurie
What does the uk have now that you can't get elsewhere whilst were still in the eu?

Shock
LaurieMarlow · 26/01/2017 19:00

Yabba, what we have as part of the EU are great trading deals which means low import duties when trading within and without the EU. The rest of the EU buy from us because we have favourable rates. The rest if the world give favourable rates to the EUbecause it's such a big and powerful trading block.

We'll lose all of this. We'll be a tiny player in global terms with very little to bring to the table. There will be the odd exception, but in the main, trading with all of the world will become more expensive for us.

We'll also lose our 'gateway to Europe' status that has made us so attractive for US/Asian firms who need European bases. We offer them no advantage whatsoever from henceforth. They'd move to Frankfurt.

Yabbadabbo2 · 26/01/2017 19:06

laurie
27 other nations have access to the eu its not something we have that others don't.

Again what do we have now that no one else has?
We could still access the eu with on average a 2.5% tariiff and this figure is lower than our eu budget contributions.

FuckOffDailyMailQuitQuotingMN · 26/01/2017 19:06

Yes, Laurie is right
We have built ourselves as the Financial Centre of Europe! We are the power house in the financial world because of EU membership.

Livelovebehappy · 26/01/2017 19:12

No-one knows how Brexit is going to pan out, so why get so cross about something when you have no crystal ball to see what the future holds? It might work out really well or it might go belly up. What we currently have with the EU is not fit for purpose. It simply doesn't work. So what's wrong trying something different? I voted to leave and I'm excited about the future and looking forward to what lies ahead for us all. People should stop worrying until there is something to worry about. Its all getting so tedious.