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to still be cross about the outcome of the EU referendum?

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mynamesnotsam · 24/01/2017 21:38

I'm still so angry and can't forgive those who voted to leave. After the result there was much talk of how the two sides must put aside their differences but I don't feel there has been any attempt to try to appease the 48.1% of people who voted to stay. I also want to rip the head off any one who says it's the will of the people. They should be legally obligated to say it's the will of 51.9 % of the people who voted. If the vote had gone the other way you can bet that UKIP would still be making a huge fuss about it but remainers are expected to "just get over it"!

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Itisnoteasybeingdifferent · 25/01/2017 22:56

As someone who worked very hard to leave I can honestly say I am upset by the vitriole expressed in the debate after the result. I was told by a self opinionated (and very wealthy sahm wife of a multi national corporate laywer) that I should be grateful she is still prepared to talk to me. The level of hatred expressed here on MN is upsetting as it shows a fundamental devide across the country.

What are people going to do? Spend the next fifty years blaming everything on leaving and not working to make the best of opportunities? That way lies stagnation and failure.

However I have to observe we have been let down by our so called polititians. "Dave" called the vote but had no plan if we decided to leave. For that alone he should be charged. Gove and Boris started sniping at each other and dismantled themselves. Theressa doesn't quite seem to know what she is doing. Jeremy is still living in Clause 4Lala land. .Nigel took us to the exit door then bolted in a limo... and what's his face from the LibbDems is still moaning.

I do consider parliamentary democracy is one of the best forms of govenment, but ... every now and then ... lining the bloody lot of them against a wall,.......

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 25/01/2017 22:56

Talkin Well thankfully you have the insight to predict exactly what will happen...
What would we do without your help?

extrabiotin · 25/01/2017 22:57

I really want someone to tell me what the advantages are of leaving.

So we employ hundreds of lawyers and trade experts, and legislators and so on to get us out. For starters!

That's a great use of taxpayer money isn't it.

All in a good cause that nobody really thought through I think!

Millions maybe billions will be spent on negotiations. (consultants/experts and so on) For what?

And at the same time we have to pay billions to the EU for our contribution whilst we are still a member. That will be the case until A50 is two years old.

glitterazi · 25/01/2017 23:36

fake It's not racist to want stricter controls over immigration and proper vetting of immigrants... But carry on.

True, this. Although it's sadly something you're not allowed to voice now as you'll get accused of all sorts.
All for immigration. It's a good thing. Since when does somebody saying they want borders tightened and properly checked become a bad thing, though?
Surely it's common sense.

PantyLiner · 25/01/2017 23:55

FFS! The majority of the UK voted to Brexit. Regardless of how you voted that is what is going to happen. There is no point in being outraged about it. there is nothing you can do about it. Why are you so outraged? Do you think the UK is going to combust without the shoulder of France and Germany to lean on? If so why??

Deadsouls · 25/01/2017 23:57

itsnoteasy
I would say be prepared for many more months of anger and upset. Laughable how leavers have the expectation that now we all have to put up and shut up.

user1481838270 · 26/01/2017 00:00

Wow. There are an awful lot of people on here who say they are leaving the UK because they believe a disaster is about to happen. I'd like to ask genuinely if anyone has started the process of relocating? We've had 6 months so I'm thinking a lot of people must be quite advanced in their plans to leave. Anyone ?

Three senior members of my department are now leaving. These are world-renowned researchers and are an enormous loss. Uncertainty over the future and higher salaries elsewhere probably hastened their decision to leave.

glitterazi · 26/01/2017 00:02

Laughable how leavers have the expectation that now we all have to put up and shut up

Can you not see that people who actually voted remain find you laughable and pathetic though? Not just the leave voters.
For not being able to, or willing to, be able to open your mind to the concept of people actually having different views or experiences to your own.

Deadsouls · 26/01/2017 00:07

glitterazi
You're conflating being angry about the result and expressing it with not being able to accept that people have different views. The two don't go together. You interpret it in that way.

Deadsouls · 26/01/2017 00:11

Clearly glitterazi you are much more openminded and non-pathetic than I. Good for you.

glitterazi · 26/01/2017 00:16

You're conflating being angry about the result and expressing it with not being able to accept that people have different views. The two don't go together. You interpret it in that way.

No.It's really evident on this thread.

glitterazi · 26/01/2017 00:17

really evident, even, not #It'slly evident Hmm

Deadsouls · 26/01/2017 00:24

It's okay. I don't know you and you don't know me. I don't care about your personal opinion of me or the views I express here.

BoneyBackJefferson · 26/01/2017 06:48

user1481838270

Three senior members of my department are now leaving. These are world-renowned researchers and are an enormous loss.

Which company? What department?
To you they may be an enormous loss, but if they are from the university that researched the 'perfect cup of tea' or 'the perfect colour of toast', then they are not such an enormous loss as a top level cancer researcher would be.

Motheroffourdragons · 26/01/2017 07:04

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TheElementsSong · 26/01/2017 07:10

Which company? What department?
To you they may be an enormous loss, but if they are from the university that researched the 'perfect cup of tea' or 'the perfect colour of toast', then they are not such an enormous loss as a top level cancer researcher would be.

Wow, talk about being sneery towards our universities and researchers! Still, I suppose instead of categorising this post as (the now heinous crime) of Talking Britain Down, we should instead be grateful.

Where would Brexit Britain's bright future in world beating scientific research and innovation be, without the guidance of such dazzling insight into which are the worthy institutions, who are the worthy researchers, and what the best science is!

user1481838270 · 26/01/2017 08:46

Three senior members of my department are now leaving. These are world-renowned researchers and are an enormous loss.

Which company? What department?
To you they may be an enormous loss, but if they are from the university that researched the 'perfect cup of tea' or 'the perfect colour of toast', then they are not such an enormous loss as a top level cancer researcher would be.

If it were cancer research, it would not be such an issue as developments in this area would more likely be shared. It is in an area of technology that is rapidly developing and, if we don't remain at the forefront, the technology will flourish elsewhere instead. This could have a major impact for investment and jobs on the UK. The same can be said for many research areas. Interestingly, the technology will in the future be applied to help with the treatment of cancer (as well as with the treatment of many other diseases) and it may well make an significant difference to the outcomes.

To answer your question - no, the research isn't the 'perfect cup of tea' or 'the perfect colour of toast'.

(Leave posters on this thread seem surprisingly happy to dish out the condescension yet seem oddly highly indignant if any is returned.
Hmm

Much like Donald Trump, brittle when called into question.)

Hellmouth · 26/01/2017 08:51

I am with you OP. And the more we look at it, the least likely it looks that Brexit will be good for this country.

I am also fed up of people saying it's the will of the people and democracy and get over it.

And everyone is forgetting it was an advisory referendum!!!! If it was going to be legally blinding, they should have made it mandatory voting, allowed 16 year olds to vote, and the winning side should have a clear majority like 60%.

I blame Cameron.

questioningitall · 26/01/2017 09:01

The whole thing is idiotic and didn't need to happen.

Sorry but you seem to be forgetting that the government was voted in on the back of a promise to hold a referendum. That is democracy. (But then there outcries by the left who couldn't get over that result too!).

I voted leave. Most of my friends voted remain. A couple of best friends leave too. We've had some interesting debates and serious conversations about it over dinner / at the pub. No name calling. Genuine interest in others opinions. Respect. We are all professionals. Highly educated. No racists or xenophobes or accusations of such.

The bigoted views held and shouted on here by remainers are vile.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 26/01/2017 09:05

Leave posters on this thread seem surprisingly happy to dish out the condescension yet seem oddly highly indignant if any is returned.

Unless they state it, how do you know who is a 'leave voter'. I wasn't. My DH and I even campaigned for remain.

I will however continue to point out when some of the things that remainers say isn't on. Some of the language being used by both 'sides' is vile.

fakenamefornow · 26/01/2017 09:31

glitterazi

With regard to this-

fake It's not racist to want stricter controls over immigration and proper vetting of immigrants... But carry on.

I agree it's not racist to was stricter immigration controls.

The poster who said this though Pluto30 then went on to say this, when I said it was racist to spout bile about people being like animals. -

Not technically, considering humans are animals.:)

I know she thinks it's a joke, but to laugh when my elderly racist relatives say this They (Romanian people) just chuck rubbish out all over the street like animals. and say it's not racist, smiley face. Well, I just don't know how to respond to that, it's exactly the sort of thing my relatives would say and then all have a good laugh about it.

TheOtherSock · 26/01/2017 10:15

People don't fund research just for fun…

If you're talking about the acrylamide thing, then that is cancer research. If it's one of those fun studies that turn up in the Christmas issue of journals, like the cup of tea one, I'm willing to bet it was either one of those things scientists, who are human beings and have a sense of humour, did for fun in their spare time. Who knows, maybe they were practising or testing techniques that could be used in cancer research, which is, of course, the only important type of research in the world, because it's the only one people ever mention.

birdybirdywoofwoof · 26/01/2017 10:27

I will however continue to point out when some of the things that remainers say isn't on

Unless they state it, how do you know who is a remain voter then?

For the purpose of balance then, I hope someone will point out when some of the things leavers say 'isn't on.'

Mm, the higher education sector will be decimated by Brexit, but hey, no big loss, they probably were just researching toast.

Vile. You certainly have the moral high ground, Boney, no doubts there.

TheElementsSong · 26/01/2017 11:04

I consider myself Told. Who needs peer review, if I need opinions on how to conduct my scientific research I'll just ask for the Brexit-approved path on here. It's just like the Trump administration banning all scientific and medical communications from government scientists until they've been reviewed by his cronies. It's all about putting the Great back.

pipsqueak25 · 26/01/2017 11:10

so many people are wasting their lives moaning about this, you don't know for sure how it will turn out, no one does, so yes, you have to get on with your lives unless you are in a position in parliament to make decisions that count for something.