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to still be cross about the outcome of the EU referendum?

893 replies

mynamesnotsam · 24/01/2017 21:38

I'm still so angry and can't forgive those who voted to leave. After the result there was much talk of how the two sides must put aside their differences but I don't feel there has been any attempt to try to appease the 48.1% of people who voted to stay. I also want to rip the head off any one who says it's the will of the people. They should be legally obligated to say it's the will of 51.9 % of the people who voted. If the vote had gone the other way you can bet that UKIP would still be making a huge fuss about it but remainers are expected to "just get over it"!

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birdybirdywoofwoof · 25/01/2017 14:14

Which media in particular do you see as helping to destroy the economy, music?

user1481838270 · 25/01/2017 14:16

Mocking is fine but mocking anything that is mocking is totally wrong?

Hmm

Brexit logic seems to becoming more Monty Pythonesque by the day....

FuckOffDailyMailQuitQuotingMN · 25/01/2017 14:16

I'm not denying that the pound crashed but all the negative 'project fear' and Brexit bashing in the media et al is certainly not helping is it?

Not helping what? You mean not helping the pound? The currency markets aren't driven by the whims of media or the ignorant scaremongering - it is the genuine uncertainty that is driving the fluctuations.

Such horrendous uncertainty will kill even a formerly robust and stable economy. It is true that nobody knows what will happen - and that uncertainty is driving the decline.

myfavouritecolourispurple · 25/01/2017 14:18

We still will be part of Europe. We aren't changing continents

Yes but we are going to be on outside - we won't be able to benefit from being part of a greater whole.

My main concerns are around the loss of chances to study and work overseas, but I also don't trust the Tory government as far as I can throw them as far as worker rights are concerned. They can say they won't remove EU protection for now, but give it a few years and they'll start to dismantle what they can. Getting us out of the social chapter was one of the main reasons a lot of Tories wanted us out of the EU.

FuckOffDailyMailQuitQuotingMN · 25/01/2017 14:18

There is a saying that the markets can handle the good times and the bad times but the "markets abhor uncertainty".

That is what we are seeing here.

Niamer · 25/01/2017 14:29

YANBU . I am not angry with Leave voters - in the main they voted for what they believed was best for themselves and their families. The Leave campaign was effective and organised (albeit completely dishonest); it worked. I am angry at the system that allowed such a humongous crisis to happen.
I urge you, OP and others, to channel your anger into action, if you haven't already done so. Bad things happen when good people do nothing. What is being done to our country, in th name of the "will of the people" is wrong and we are right to protest.

Firstly, please contact your MP about a #brexitsafetynet via this campaign: represent-us.uk. Fast forward two year - imagine we have not reached a satisfactory deal with the EU, so our option is to leave with nothing. What reasonable person would not want to option for us to remain in the EU rather than take a leap into the unknown? Few people I know would want to take that risk for their children's sake. The above campaign asks for their to be an amendment to the triggering of article 50, so we have a get-out option at the end.

Secondly, please join the Unite for Europe march in London in March 25. In my involvement with pro- EU groups, ther have been meetings with sympathetic MPs and Lords. The message is that the march needs to be big; it needs to be huge. It needs to show the will of the "other people", that Theresa May has forgotten. I do not like going to London; I have a better offer that weekend, I have to re-arrange work commitments, I would rather sit at home and support from my keyboard. But I will be there, because my children had not vote and Brexit Britain is not the future I choose for them.

Finally, there are local groups springing up all over the UK. Join one if you can. Apart from anything else, I have found it a great comfort to meet with like-minded people feeling as sore as I am.

Good luck!

Musicinthe00ssucks · 25/01/2017 14:30

Not helping what? You mean not helping the pound? The currency markets aren't driven by the whims of media or the ignorant scaremongering - it is the genuine uncertainty that is driving the fluctuations.

Do you really believe that statement? The pound started to crash before the referendum had even taken place because of the scaremongering of 'project fear'. Not to mention George Osborne's warnings of an emergency budget - which funnily enough came to nothing - and the remoaners like to talk about the lies spouted by the leave campaign.

TheDogsMother · 25/01/2017 14:35

Very, very depressing but this is democracy and as previously mentioned we are lucky to have one. What I am still incredibly angry about is the endless lies peddled by both sides prior to the referendum in order to win votes. At the very least they were guessing at outcomes and in the worst cases there were pure lies. For example (and there will be plenty on the remain side too) take the £350 million a week for the NHS. This struck a cord with many people early on and probably decided many votes, only for the Brexit side to later abandon the quote, claim that it was only ever an aspiration and remove it from their website. How can it be right that policitians can knowingly lie or spin then be totally unaccountable.

FuckOffDailyMailQuitQuotingMN · 25/01/2017 14:36

he pound started to crash before the referendum had even taken place because of the scaremongering of 'project fear'.

The pound became volatile because of the very real economic uncertainty that Brexit vote opened up in the UK.

Musicinthe00ssucks · 25/01/2017 14:40

economic uncertainty that Brexit vote opened up in the UK.

An MP and media creation.

birdybirdywoofwoof · 25/01/2017 14:43

Which mp? Which parts of the media?

FuckOffDailyMailQuitQuotingMN · 25/01/2017 14:48

The uncertainty isn't a creation - it is real - there was no exit plan. No plans, no preparation, no precedent - the uncertainty wasn't manufactured, it was and is real.

But I suspect that you will blame the "media" hype for manufacturing what is actually a real problem because it's easier than realising that a horrible Pandora's Box has been opened that, if not contained, will leave the UK as a backwater tax haven in significantly reduced circumstances. It's a frightful thought to contemplate.

Musicinthe00ssucks · 25/01/2017 14:58

The uncertainty isn't a creation - it is real - there was no exit plan. No plans, no preparation, no precedent - the uncertainty wasn't manufactured, it was and is real.

So the hysterical Mumsnetters should take their anger and aim it at those in Parliament instead of attacking Leave voters who have only exercised their right to a vote; whether you agree with it or not.

Let us never forget that the Government (this Government or any Government) couldn't give a shit about us plebs

FuckOffDailyMailQuitQuotingMN · 25/01/2017 15:06

I'm not "hysterical" and I haven't and won't attack any fellow MNers over this. However, I personally have not been adversely affected by the leave vote, so I perhaps don't feel the personal rage that others here have expressed.

Let us never forget that the Government (this Government or any Government) couldn't give a shit about us plebs

On this we can agree!

Musicinthe00ssucks · 25/01/2017 15:16

Let us never forget that the Government (this Government or any Government) couldn't give a shit about us plebs

On this we can agree!

Grin - and I apologise for the "hysterical" remark

WrongTrouser · 25/01/2017 15:28

That's the real traversty isn't it, wrong?
Not that millions no longer feel safe in their own country. Not the decimation of higher education, social care and the financial services, n Ireland agreement, no the terrible thing is that some random stranger, on the internet, said you voted for a racist agenda

That is the real most important outrage. How dare they!

Interesting logic birdy. Someone calling me and all leavers racists is not sufficiently important for me to post about, but you disagreeing with me posting about someone calling me and all leavers racists is.

Okay....

birdybirdywoofwoof · 25/01/2017 16:47

That poster has lived and contributed to this country for 20 years, and is now (rightly) feeling afraid, rejected and shocked.

Still, your reply really showed her, didn't it!

WrongTrouser · 25/01/2017 16:59

No, I'm not buying your theory birdy.

You seem to think that the fears, feelings, security and right to be treated with respect and consideration of EU nationals in the UK and other people who may be adversely affected by Brexit are important.

And that the fears, feelings, security and right to be treated with respect and consideration of leave voters are not important.

I disagree and I would expect anyone who believes in equality to disagree. I think leavers are just as important and have just as much right to be treated with respect as anyone else. I do think it's an interesting glimpse into the mindset of a more vocal remainer though.

WrongTrouser · 25/01/2017 17:02

I just want to say it's heartening how many remainers have posted criticising the insulting of leave voters on this threadSmile

birdybirdywoofwoof · 25/01/2017 17:13

I don't really get it, no.

The leave vote will mean people on this thread will lose their jobs and possibly their homes. I saw your response, there was no respect and consideration for her there.

I find it a real shame - but not surprising - that leavers don't criticize the insulting of remain voters "suck it up, "remoaners" or lack of empathy towards EU citizens on this thread.

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 25/01/2017 17:23

The biggest cunt I know voted remain - he is violent and has sexually assaulted more than one person. Does that mean that all remainers are violent sexual predators? Of course it doesn't.

TBH I'm starting to wish I voted Brexit - I'm ashamed to be in a group of people that are still actually sobbing about this and 'will never get over it' - get off your arses and do something about it rather than whining. But no. It's easier to be abusive to the people who made a different choice

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 25/01/2017 17:24

And given that most of us haven't a clue what's going to happen, perhaps we could all calm the fuck down and do what we need to do to secure our futures as best we can

birdybirdywoofwoof · 25/01/2017 17:34

ah there's a nice respectful and considerate post.

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 25/01/2017 17:37

I don't even agree with the leavers but it's not terribly respectful to call everyone who voted to leave a racist.

WrongTrouser · 25/01/2017 17:37

Someone can have lived in this country 10 years, 20 years or their whole life. Someone can be fearful of how Brexit will affect them. None of these things give them the right to call me and other leavers racist, just because we voted leave.

If someone denigrates me and other leave voters unfairly, I will defend myself and other leave voters. If someone is making bigoted, stereotyped statements about leavers, I am going to challenge them. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.