This is bullshit :- brexit

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www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-supreme-court-ruling-judges-defy-theresa-may-and-hand-power-to-parliament-a7542406.html

I can see the MP voting to stay in.

The commentator may have been Ian Dunt because he makes the same point.

yes I know they were but the have quietened down somewhat but now with todays news I believe this will change

losing a very strong labour seat such as stoke well it just has to end somewhere and lets hope this is it the country needs a strong opposition as well as those who want to see labour back in power

I know I shouldn't be making a party political point here but if Labour had been an effective opposition during this mess, and into the future, they could have killed for a generation the Tories being able to blithely say "you have to trust us, we're competent and a safe pair of hands, we will always put the economic well-being of the country first".

Today is a small victory but at the end of this mess (5 years' time, 10?) there's going to be the depressing prospect of many squandered opportunities.

We don't know that Labour will lose Stoke. Just because Nuttall and Farage say it will happen doesn't mean it will. I find it quite unlikely, of those that voted Brexit a significant number were UKIP voters. They know now that they were conned and are hopefully unlikely to vote that way again.

I think the Labour leadership question is rather interesting. Look back to Kinnock's time and he was a bit of a disaster. Then John Smith came along and looked like a Prime Minister in waiting, especially compared to a rather hapless Major. Sadly he died prematurely, but then Blair seemed to come out of nowhere. He maintained tight discipline and got them elected again. This all within the space of five years.

MPs are stuck though, not much they can do with respect to the leadership team (unless the party's membership/funders change their views. Which seem pretty entrenched.

I'm not sure Labour will lose Stoke either, actually, but even if they do I simply can't see Corbyn stepping down. He is very firm in his conviction that he has a mandate, even an obligation, to lead the party.

To all the PP bemoaning the 'time and money wasted' on the Supreme Court ruling, I point you in the direction of the MONUMENTAL waste of time, money and resources that leaving the EU is about to entail.

A bigger waste I have yet to witness in my lifetime (and probably never will). Think of all the time, money and resources that could have gone the way of schools and healthcare had we not voted to leave :(

We don't know that Labour will lose Stoke.

Well no we don't know as we don't have crystal balls however if the vox pots on Midlands news are anything to go by, then there are a lot of Labour voting people who feel they won't vote Labour for the forseable.

Where these cotes go, or if they even vote at all, is up for grabs I guess.

*votes go

I'm amazed that so many people on this thread know the law better than the Supreme Court.

I am going to keep hoping that the discussion leads to a general election or is prolonged to the next one.
By then, a very large number of Remain voters will come of age and that alone might change the whole situation.

And haven't 20,000+ LEAVE voters died since they voted in the referendum (i.e. old folks)? By the time a GE comes around most of the Leave voters will no longer be with us to vote in it.

Yoko
"A bigger waste I have yet to witness in my lifetime (and probably never will). Think of all the time, money and resources that could have gone the way of schools and healthcare..."

This is how I felt about the Scottish IndyRef.
And, now we'll have another one of those too
so much for the 'will of the people'

And haven't 20,000+ LEAVE voters died since they voted in the referendum (i.e. old folks)? By the time a GE comes around most of the Leave voters will no longer be with us to vote in it.

Unless you question all of those who have died, how can you know how they voted!

Piglet. I don't think psephologists base their work on interviewing the deceased! It's all about stats.

Here is an article on the relevant analysis

A bigger waste I have yet to witness in my lifetime (and probably never will). Think of all the time, money and resources that could have gone the way of schools and healthcare had we not voted to leave Precisely.

I think leavers should be happy with this result. If we are going to "take back control" we need a democratic system that actually works and can be tested like this!
We do not live in a direct democracy, instead we vote people into parliament who make decisions on our behalf. That's just how it has been for centuries, before the EU even existed.
All this decision has done today is confirm that parliament needs to have a say in this stuff. No more no less. Thank goodness we have a Supreme Court that can make these decisions, than leaving everything to a PM who hasn't even won a general election. Surely that makes sense whether you are on the side of leave or remain.

120,000 Leavers are gone! Look at that.

I think it's quite distasteful to talk about people dying like this tbh.

I voted to remain.
I accept that the democratic decision was made to leave.

However....

I did not like our unelected prime minister setting the timetable and terms for this process to happen herself. Therefore I welcome today's decision as I believe the question asked in the referendum was too broad.

I believe that the timetable and terms of our leaving the EU should also be democratically decided by parliament.

Today's decision was the very reverse of undemocratic.

My MP is a rabid Leaver, but his constituency voted Remain.

I somehow don't expect to see the Brexiteers shouting that he should vote according to his constituency...

Personally I would have expected that as many Remainers would have passed away. The really old ones who were old enough to be inolved in the last war were more likely to have been Remainers and won't themselves be expecting to live all that much longer. The baby boomers, who tended to vote Leave, can reasonably expect to be around for another 20-30 years.

That's how I see it Peregrine.

It's far from bullshit. Giving the 'plan' proper scrutiny is an absolute necessity to ensure that whatever happens is truly in this nation's best interests. Why anyone (leave or remain) would be against that idea is a mystery to me.

Peregrina is there evidence that the oldest age group tended towards Remain? I haven't seen the numbers on that.