This is bullshit :- brexit

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I can see the MP voting to stay in.

I don't think many people voting leave understood what they were voting for. I want to stay. I don't think there should have been a refendum at all (not too biased as my DP is Belgian )

Regarding roast potatoes, it's not telling you how brown you are 'allowed' to have them, have them black and charcoal if it suits, but they are merely saying they advise not to, due to the discovery about that chemical. Not gonna get arrested for burning a spud.

The irony! remainers celebrating democracy whilst happy to be ruled by unelected officials in the EU.

what difference would 120,000 voters make should they have all voted to leave which of course in unlikely

they at least bothered to vote

This is not bullshit- we have laws and they have to be followed all the time, not just when it suits.

The irony is many people voted to leave the EU to restore the sovereignty of the British Law and the UK parliament. That is what the judgement has ensured. We have a parliamentary democracy and therefore parliament has primacy. That is what this judgement states, nothing more and nothing less.

FWIW I don't think MPs will completely block the triggering of article 50. It would trigger an election, which the Tories may well win by a greater majority as Labour are not exactly in a good place to win an election at the moment. An election is not what any of the parties want right now.

is there evidence that the oldest age group tended towards Remain?
I believe so, but can't now find the source.

The War certainly left its mark on them - for my parents and in laws, (only 1 now alive, aged 93) I would say it was probably the key event of their lives. I would imagine others were the same. For those caught up in the horrors of fighting or the liberation of the Camps I don't think the memories ever really faded.

I was a remain voter and am very relieved by today's decision.

This is the total opposite of undemocratic. It reinforces the sovereignty of the UK Parliament, and I thought that Leave voters voted for that. All of a sudden, now that it has been reinforced in a court of law, they don't seem to want it.

Theresa May has no right to act unilaterally and without recourse to Parliament, especially as an unelected Prime Minister. That is what a PARLIAMENTARY DEMOCRACY is all about. Surely leave voters understand that.

I am not sorry at all if it is a setback to her (she will have been expecting it).

I am not sorry at all if it is a setback to her (she will have been expecting it).
I wonder how she will spin it? Spin may not be the right word - she doesn't do Spin per se, but rewrite the story to pass the blame to everyone else which appears to be her modus operandi.

No, she isn't particularly into spin.

She has had some weeks though to consider how to respond to the court decision going against her, so I guess that we shall soon see.

Or maybe she made no playing banked on winning the appeal, much as David Cameron (and probably also Boris Johnson) banked on a remain win. Though I do doubt that she was that daft this time around.

*made no plan. Ridiculous auto-correct.

No, she isn't particularly into spin.

So who was the woman madly trying to spin away from the Trident test failure while speaking to Andrew Marr?

user1485263998 Tue 24-Jan-17 13:42:48
The irony! remainers celebrating democracy whilst happy to be ruled by unelected officials in the EU.

Do you not vote in the EU elections? We do.

From the stats I've seen (also those linked to further up) the biggest group of leave voters were 65+. I agree its odd that the group who survived the last world war should vote out of the EU.

But then I'm astonished at the Welsh voting to leave when Wales has benefitted greatly from EU funds.

Nowt so queer and all that.

So who was the woman madly trying to spin away from the Trident test failure while speaking to Andrew Marr?

I was thinking of that when I wrote my post. Spin would have been - ' this is old news, the sub is back on active service, 95% of tests are successful, we know what was wrong with this'.

This was Q:'Did you know?' A:'Jeremy Corbyn's not patriotic', Q: 'Did you know?' A: 'Jeremy Corbyn would leave us undefended', and twice more.
That was just blatant evasion and a desire to besmirch someone else. Which is her style - right from her first bid for PM, when she was slagging off Johnson, before finding that he wasn't going to stand, and her first PMQs.

But...but.. I thought only us remainers were moaners? That's what I'd been led to believe. Surely leavers can't be moaning about something?!

No worries Peregrina, we both have a similar understanding. I have no desire to split hairs with you over definitions, that's where discussions on the Internet go to die.

tabitha and others
SIGH
no-one but no-one knows the demographic split of the millions of voters in the referendum on either side
I am sure this falsehood was propogated to cause hate for the older generation - if they can categorically identify who voted for what (which means the vote is not secret) why have they not come out with figures by ethnicity, gender, income, class, and the rest.

I love the idea that our MPs can all have a say on how we Brexit,hard or soft.Everyone forgets that we have to negotiate with 27 EU member states who will on their own take ages to agree amongst themselves on every single point.Also lots of opportunities for the press to whip us up into a frenzied.
Interesting times

The biggest group of Leave voters was the over 65s (for which I just qualified). But it was also my MIL who was 93 - so it's two generations, with completely different outlooks on life.

I wish the Murdoch press would stop trying to make Leave voters believe that the referendum result has been overturned today or that the judges are doing anything other than INTERPRETING THE LAW. This means nothing other than the whole of parliament gets to vote on A50 being invoked. That's it.
The MPs aren't going to ignore the referendum, democracy isn't 'dead', you still get your Brexit. It's just that the law says it can't be decided by one person. Which is perfectly correct.

I think this is the start of the downfall of democracy. (and I voted Remain)

Lol, you think so? Sovereignty of parliament a hard concept for you?

It's just that the law says it can't be decided by one person. Which is perfectly correct.

Yes, and for those Leave voters who just lurve Theresa May - just imagine if it was Jeremy Corbyn as PM instead of May proposing to use Henry VIII clauses to push his legislation through. (No, I can't see him ever becoming PM.)

Peregrina - I'd be interested in seeing that because every set of numbers I have seen has shown an increasing leave vote with age.

There is an interesting representational quandary now for many MPs: at what geographical scale are they supposed to go forward? Should those in Leave constituencies fight for Leave, and those in Remain for Remain, or should the outcome of the overall national vote be respected? The strongest narrative by far at the moment is for the latter, but in a system where election depends on a local mandate, that is going to create some interesting problems for some, especially I suspect those on the left in metropolitan areas.

I think the point about a 'downfall of democracy' is perhaps overstating it, but there is no doubt that we're in the middle of a period where traditional ideas of representational government are being questioned on both the left and the right, with both wings pointing out that the status quo is not, in fact, a 'neutral' system but one that propagates the power of a particular class. The irony is that the two movements that are most rabidly opposed to one another: momentum/far-left Labour and UKIP/Leave seem to share a desire to question the idea of middle class sovereignty, though from very different places and to very different ends.

there is NO evidence at all about the split of leave/remain except by area. All other suggestions (age, class, ethnicity, which footy team you support) is pure supposition based on small opinion polls. To tout it as fact is propaganda.

if you remember the small polls are often wrong.

we had a large opinion poll and only that result is accurate.